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http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_196786.aspx

Could apply to numerous products I'm sure.

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People don't really spend their hard earned cash on this rubbish do they........

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I think it is a good thing that companys are taken to task over their claims (surprising as that may seem), as it makes them think twice over the wording.

On the other hand, I believe BR works (which is why I got some), though it is too expensive...and think it's a shame that this will have it placed even more  firmly in the "snake oil" department.

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If I understand correctly, they were claiming that their anti vibration pads were usefully elimating harmful "bad vibration" even when theHiFi  equipment is turned off. That sort of nonsense is beyond parody.

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Never used it, so I can't judge if it works or not.  But, it can only be a very good thing that accessory-manufacturers offering the HiFi equivalent of baldness cures are being reeled-in.  Expect to see lots of ads reworded to include litigation-avoiding key disclaimers startng with "can", "maybe", "possibly" etc, along with "ymmv".

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CnoEvil wrote:

 I believe BR works (which is why I got some), 

 

 

What causes you to believe that it works, Cno  ?

 

 

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jcbrum wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

 I believe BR works (which is why I got some), 

What causes you to believe that it works, Cno  ?

Personal experience perhaps?

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MajorFubar wrote:

But, it can only be a very good thing that accessory-manufacturers offering the HiFi equivalent of baldness cures are being reeled-in.  

 

No more 'hair-raising' claims then.

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CnoEvil wrote:

I think it is a good thing that companys are taken to task over their claims (surprising as that may seem), as it makes them think twice over the wording.

On the other hand, I believe BR works (which is why I got some), though it is too expensive...and think it's a shame that this will have it placed even more  firmly in the "snake oil" department.

I wonder how much consideration of the ASA goes into deciding what someone puts into an advert?  It seems that the only sanction is that the advert has to be withdrawn and by the time they actually adjudicate it may well be time for a new advert anyway.  ASA needs more sanctions and the courage to use them.

I understand Russ Andrews has fallen foul of the ASA on more than one occasion yet this doesn't seem to diminish the tome that drops through my letter-box.

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jjbomber wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:

But, it can only be a very good thing that accessory-manufacturers offering the HiFi equivalent of baldness cures are being reeled-in.  

 

No more 'hair-raising' claims then.

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What is this stuff  made of?

I have seen references to technology derived from nuclear submarines but that could equally apply to anything found on a nuclear sub like a dishwasher or knives and forks or mattresses.

Is BR just a bloke who bought a few tons of ordinary, left-over rubber cheaply from BAE systems in Barrow after a sub re-fit* and asked his wife to sew bits of it into miniature black cushion covers?

Or is there some actual technology going on?

*Cno, you might want to run a geiger counter over this stuff Smile 

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The_Lhc wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

 I believe BR works (which is why I got some), 

What causes you to believe that it works, Cno  ?

Personal experience perhaps?

 

Lhc,   your presumption of Cno's beliefs is not much to go on.   Perhaps Cno will describe his experience which led to his beliefs.

 

JC

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jcbrum wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

 I believe BR works (which is why I got some), 

What causes you to believe that it works, Cno  ?

Personal experience perhaps?

Lhc,   your presumption of Cno's beliefs is not much to go on.

It's all he had to go on though.

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Perhaps Cno will describe his experience which led to his beliefs.

Perhaps he will, I expect it goes something like, "I tried it for myself and felt it made such a difference that, expensive as it is, it was worth purchasing for my own system.". 

What more would you expect, beyond trivial details?

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jcbrum wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

 I believe BR works (which is why I got some), 

What causes you to believe that it works, Cno  ?

JC

Suprising as it may seem, I tried it.

To make sure of my findings, I did my own version of a blind rest on it.

When I thought I could hear s difference, I got Mrs. Cno to sit while I either removed or replaced pads under my DS. She didn't know what the stuff was, what it was supposed to do, or whether I was putting pads in, or taking them out. Once she became familiar with the  effect it had, she could tell, without exception, whether pads were being removed or replaced.

I am not going to get drawn into yet another argument on this stuff with people who haven't tried it......been there and got the T-shirt.

I am not surprised that it is hard, if not impossible, to measure what it does and the difference it makes (and I do realize there are those who won't believe anything unless it can be measured)......and the company should not make objective statements over a subjective change......as far as I can tell, the ruling didn't say that it didn't work, but that objective measurements were not provided to back up the claims.

 

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Lhc,   your presumption of Cno's beliefs is not much to go on.   Perhaps Cno will describe his experience which led to his beliefs.

JC

I described it here: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/black-ravioli

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CnoEvil wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

Lhc,   your presumption of Cno's beliefs is not much to go on.   Perhaps Cno will describe his experience which led to his beliefs.

JC

I described it here: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/black-ravioli

So, not a presumption on my part then, more, well, reading words on a screen really...

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