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RE: Best Speakers

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They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

 

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p.s. on the other hand, they do have more than 25 years experience of designing, and manufacturing very high quality audio equipment, both electronics, and loudspeakers.  You might learn something.   Smile  JC

wow, you really need 25 years of experience to put together some OEM drivers and a few planks of wood? any decent DIYer (I mean no disrespect to any DIYer) could do that with a few days of making preparations. but they needed 25 years to design a wooden box with two holes and then buy some drivers from ScanSpeak? well done AVI!

BTW since you're already boasting of experience in speaker design; my speakers are essentially unchanged since their inception some 40 years ago (granted, there were plentiful tweaks but the basic principle remained unchanged). another ones that I'm contemplating are about 50 years old. I believe that people behind those designs know a thing or two how to make a worthwhile product too. it's not like only AVI holds all the secrets to audio perfection.

 

HaHa, well if they don't need 25 years experience, you don't need 40 years either, oldric.   Wink

 

Go and talk to them, show them your stuff,  you might enjoy it   Smile

 

JC

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At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Merely pointing out the two/three times the cost thing is a comment intended to be negative towards hi-fi dealers, and is supposed to reinforce the value aspect of the product. As has already been pointed out, there's extra costs involved when not going through a dealer. If a direct seller decides to sell through a dealer, the costs are reduced.

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RE: Best Speakers

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

Child. 

You can have that one for free.

Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

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RE: Best Speakers

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

Child. 

You can have that one for free.

Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

 

Er, the post I responded to was before JC said that, so I don't see the relevance. 

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BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

Child. 

You can have that one for free.

Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

Er, the post I responded to was before JC said that, so I don't see the relevance. 

You should read more of his recent posts then.

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RE: Best Speakers

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

Child. 

You can have that one for free.

Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

 

I don't really get the PR comment at all. Cno has posted pro-Linn comments far more often than JC has pro-AVI. Ditto PP and Leema. And MA. Probably ditto you and Uniti. Ditto Chebby and MCR603. Ditto Lindsay and wardrobes. 

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RE: Best Speakers

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

They do all their own original research and design work.

Who does their PR?

At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Is it working?

Child. 

You can have that one for free.

Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

Er, the post I responded to was before JC said that, so I don't see the relevance. 

You should read more of his recent posts then.

 

Your comment was 'who does their [AVI's] PR?' That's got nothing to do with max. 

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

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At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Merely pointing out the two/three times the cost thing is a comment intended to be negative towards hi-fi dealers, and is supposed to reinforce the value aspect of the product. As has already been pointed out, there's extra costs involved when not going through a dealer. If a direct seller decides to sell through a dealer, the costs are reduced.

 

I was referring to you saying 'Is that the best you can come back with Overdose?' That was very childish also. 

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Do you not see something slightly odd about jcbrum acting as the mouthpiece for people who have been banned from this forum?

 

I'm not acting as anybody's mouthpiece JD, I'm simply contibuting to the thread (on topic, - best speakers) based on my own equipment and my knowledge of the manufacturers, whose activities I maintain a keen interest in.

I'm sure that others take an interest in Naim, or Linn, or whatever, and this is supposed to be a forum to discuss matters pertaining to HiFi.

 

JC

 

p.s.  It's true that Max did email me to say he wanted to contribute but couldn't because he didn't have an account atm, but he didn't ask me to put that post to you.  I just thought you might see the humour of the sutuation and take pity on poor old Max.  -  JC

 

 

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p.p.s.  It was Chebby who suggested that Max did AVI's PR.   Rather humourously too, I thought.   ROFL

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JCBrum, can you also please tell me when you've had the opportunity to compare the drivers in the ADM 40's against the drivers in my speakers? There aren't many people in the UK that have the same speakers as me. It's possible that there aren't any.

 

What are your speakers, lindsayt?

The speakers that I've got that JCBrum is the least likely to have heard are Bozak Symphonys and EV Patrician 800's.

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Ditto Lindsay and wardrobes. 

ROFL

 

Incidentally, I took the OP literally, which, had they used a question mark, might have been seeking views on the best speakers, bar none.  I've never heard AVIs but it seems slightly implausible they are the best possible.  Don't tell Magico, David Wilson or the Sonus faber people!  [to name just three]

Indeed it was Lindsay who early on challenged what question might have been intended.

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I was referring to you saying 'Is that the best you can come back with Overdose?' That was very childish also. 

Well it wasn't a great comeback was it. I mean:

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What I would like to know is (genuinely) why anyone would take their speakers (or any other hifi equipment for that matter) anywhere other than their own home to listen to? What's that all about? Does this really happen?

The whole concept of moving a hifi system to some sort of convention seems rather bizarre to me. Is this what you consider normal?

Yes, he knows it does! It happens every year!! 

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Bozak Symphonys are an early sixties design, which have no acoustic suspension.  Most other manufacturers introduced acoustic suspension for the driver cone from the late fifties onwards, and it became an almost universal feature.

 

Don't you think, lindsayt, that loudspeaker drive unit design has made any progress towards better fidelity in the last fifty years ?

 

JC

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