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Jeez, this thread is plumbing new depths even for this place!  We've got a maniac conspirancy theorist, and someone else who doesn't want someone recommending their kit unless they compare it to his first!  Unreal!  As a non-AVI owner, is it ok if I continue to recommend them as I see fit, or do I have to let the wardrobe guy bring his behemoths over first?  Because I'll warn him now, if he chips the paint bringing them in my missus will beat the shit out of him.  I wonder where this idea that audiophiles are deranged loonys comes from!

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Jeez, this thread is plumbing new depths even for this place!  We've got a maniac conspirancy theorist, and someone else who doesn't want someone recommending their kit unless they compare it to his first!  Unreal!  As a non-AVI owner, is it ok if I continue to recommend them as I see fit, or do I have to let the wardrobe guy bring his behemoths over first?  Because I'll warn him now, if he chips the paint bringing them in my missus will beat the shit out of him.  I wonder where this idea that audiophiles are deranged loonys comes from!

 

No, it really isn't. The problem is simply that many of the members now pushing AVI don't really know the history of AVI on this forum. You can laugh at the notion of a conspiracy, but I can't rule it out completely (even if it is unlikely), because of the number of users who were banned for spamming the forums with all kind of AVI threads in the past and subsequently created new usernames to spam some more. I have to laugh when I hear people asking for persons like Ashley from AVI to be allowed to return to this forum. Clearly, people either weren't around/active at the time when all that drama was going down, so they think that AVI is just a silent victim on this forum. The reason for the severe distrust and arguably paranoia is based on actual forum events. 

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Ajani, you have made too many reasoned and well informed posts :shame: maybe have a rest, sit down with a cup of tea ROFL

 

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Ajani, you have made too many reasoned and well informed posts :shame: maybe have a rest, sit down with a cup of tea ROFL

 

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LOL .... Maybe I really need to just have something to drink and leave this thread to be what it will.

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Overdose wrote:

 

That little black speaker on top there would do much better on some proper stands. It would boom terribly sitting on top of that cabinet!

 

HaHa, don't worry,  I doubt that you can hear anything from it    :grin:

As Stereophile pointed out,  big old Bozaks are not at their best unless the listener is more than 15 feet away     :?   JC

 

15 feet away?! You'd be better off in the neighbouring county!

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So David, please give an example of this cost reduction, as seen by the purchaser.

For example, if  a dealer sells a pair of speakers for the recommended price of  £2000; what is the buy in price by the dealer?

I wonder if it might be @ half that £2000?  That sounds like a real good deal for the man-in-the-street, much better than buying direct and cutting out the dealer and distributer.

Chebby raised a very good point in reply to your post. I do know of a distributor that decided to sell direct as well as supply his dealers - of course he had to keep the pricing up so as not to piss off the dealers, but then you have a distributor making two profit margins. Win win for the distributor, who continues to sell at his double profit margin.

And not all products need a distributor - sometimes it is cheaper for a manufacturer to sell their products through a distributor rather than to pay two or three reps to get out on the road and sell direct to the dealer.

And as for profit margins, 100% would be nice, but unfortunately we don't sell designer clothes, furniture or jewellery. Manufacturers can't afford to price their products too highly nowadays, as price can make or break a product.

 

David, you are completely wasted just selling stereo and av.  With an answer like that you should be answering questions on behalf of the Labour Party about all their current policies.

Strange that some  of us saw a certain dealers price list and some of their mark-up was better than 100% on certain products.  Perhaps your suppliers don't give you such good discounts.  You have a HDD account,  I'm sure someone will give you the detail if you ask nicely.  

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You know, I read the thread on the AVI forum about the future Aussie great speakers, and thought Ashley James came across as a real gentleman, which is more than seems to be the case here with a couple from that forum. Spying, veiled accusations of lying, whatever next!

You forget dealers have a mountain of expenses, whereas those selling directly on the net don't. Also, the manufacturers often set the prices, and you can only go under (theoretically) those prices a couple of times a year. I'm no big fan of retailers, but give them a break!

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Just for the record I am a real person and I do no-ones bidding.  I do not trawl through forums to post on them.  I respond to threads that appear on the News page of WHF or very occasionally the first page of the 'Latest Posts' in the Forum section.

I recommend AVI product because I believe them to be stunning value for money as well as the best speakers I have heard any way near their price bracket.  I'm talking the 9 series here, because I own 9Ts, as you can see from my signature, and I haven't heard the AVI ADM 40s yet.

The problem for you JJBomber is that you totally down-grade any reasoned comment by other people who for one reason or another don't rate AVI.  They probably have very valid points [ if they have actually heard them] to make but you chip in with your ridiculous paranoia and conspiracy theories and ruin what otherwise could be a sensible debate.  You are  a complete gift because all your posts have such glaring mistakes or you quote completely out of context that it is childsplay to pull your ramblings apart.  You really need to get a life, you are one of the reasons people give up contributing on here and go over to HDD for a reasoned discussion about hi-fi and other interesting things as well.

AVI baiting just doesn't work any more.  It is counter productive and will certainly ensure that I stick my oar in and row like hell.

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

relocated wrote:
So David, please give an example of this cost reduction, as seen by the purchaser.

For example, if  a dealer sells a pair of speakers for the recommended price of  £2000; what is the buy in price by the dealer?

I wonder if it might be @ half that £2000?  That sounds like a real good deal for the man-in-the-street, much better than buying direct and cutting out the dealer and distributer.

Chebby raised a very good point in reply to your post. I do know of a distributor that decided to sell direct as well as supply his dealers - of course he had to keep the pricing up so as not to piss off the dealers, but then you have a distributor making two profit margins. Win win for the distributor, who continues to sell at his double profit margin.

And not all products need a distributor - sometimes it is cheaper for a manufacturer to sell their products through a distributor rather than to pay two or three reps to get out on the road and sell direct to the dealer.

And as for profit margins, 100% would be nice, but unfortunately we don't sell designer clothes, furniture or jewellery. Manufacturers can't afford to price their products too highly nowadays, as price can make or break a product.

       If you stocked B&W's 800 speakers you could count that as jewellery.........;)
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You know, I read the thread on the AVI forum about the future Aussie great speakers, and thought Ashley James came across as a real gentleman ...

 

 

Agree

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relocated wrote:

 They probably have very valid points

 

Someone is looking for speakers for £350 and a valid point is to recommend AVIs at £1,400. Very valid

Someone wants a CD Transport for £800. Recommended? AVIs for £1,400. Very valid indeed

Another wanted a DAC for £600. Recommended? buy AVIs for £1,400. Very valid.

Another wanted an amp for £500. Recommended? Yep, AVIs for £1,400. Wow, really valid that one.

The advice from the cult members is just a farce.

 

Buy AVIs at 31,400.

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There are some very insecure people on this forum.

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jjbomber wrote:

relocated wrote:

 They probably have very valid points

 

Someone is looking for speakers for £350 and a valid point is to recommend AVIs at £1,400. Very valid

Someone wants a CD Transport for £800. Recommended? AVIs for £1,400. Very valid indeed

Another wanted a DAC for £600. Recommended? buy AVIs for £1,400. Very valid.

Another wanted an amp for £500. Recommended? Yep, AVIs for £1,400. Wow, really valid that one.

The advice from the cult members is just a farce.

 

Buy AVIs at 31,400.

The ADM's are a strange product in some ways. If someone contemplates a new speaker or other component with a possible upgrade of other stuff in the future it makes sense to recommend them. 

They also frequently pop up used and can be had a few hundred pounds cheaper.

I can't personally see any reason not to include them in recommendations.

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I ALWAYS recommend my MS 8's irrespective of room, taste or pocket since I declare my bias & personal choice within my signature. Some dont. It would be nice if frequent users declared their 'interests' and even better a link to a short bio would be good. I have never claimed any expertise in the field but I would rather take advice from a recognisably valid source. Just a thought I thought. Smile

Am I likely to think my £2k speakers are no good? Ofcourse they are THE best

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Well said Drummerman,

 

People should feel free to recommend any kit that they own or have at least heard. After all, I have made a demo short list of some of my kit based on folks opinions here and on other forums. 

 

If some people claim that their kit is the best then I would personally just smile because it all comes down to personal taste. If any newbies looking at this thread are put off, then my advice is to demo as much as you can, be confident with your choice. You don't need to justify your purchase to anyone but yourself (or maybe the Mrs!)

 

I would respect anyone who posts on why they like their kit, rather than make claims to being the best. I'm actually going to demo my brother's ADM9s soon as a potential second system. I would join HDD to seek some opinions but I think if it became known I  have a black box with Naim on I would be flamed! 

 

Life is too short to get hung up on arguments, especially based around electrical goods. Me, I just want to listen to music and enjoy it  Dance 4

 

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