No, you can 'drive' the devices in question using the remote control handset supplied. app control is entirely optional.
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I don't have a streamer, how do you access all the tracks/albums on a streamer?
By using the supplied remote control or an app for your iPad or phone. For example:-
So by the addition/introduction of a computer into the system then?
If you use a streamer that requires the use of such mobile devices with apps for control, then the streamer cannot be considered 'dedicated'.
Remember that the original question was, what does a dedicated streamer offer over a computer and DAC.
I think you are being argumentative now! You can use a remote control, or is that a computer too? Dedicated here means dedicated to music, rather than spreadsheets or emails, surely?
Argumentative? No, just trying to illustrate that dedicated streamers are limited. If you have no mobile devices that can be used as remotes, then the dedicated streamer is quite a clunky device, also, if to get the best out of them, a smart phone or tablet is required (these are computers and I think people are forgetting this fact) then the streamer is not dedicated is it? It is part of an integrated system incorporting a computer.
As BigH is asking, what do you use to control the streamer and how do you scan the source libraries without a mobile device such as smart phone or tablet?
If, as is argued, that most people already have such mobile devices, and their use is so simple, then there is no need for a standalone dedicated streamer, stream from the mobile device by simply adding a Sonos or AEX/ATV and you're good to go.
I should perhaps have started off by saying that I consider a dedicated streamer as something that comes as plug 'n' play with its own remote or panel mounted control function, be it button or touchscreen, so that it truly stands alone. I don't consider the Sonos a dedicated streamer, more part of a streaming ecosystem.
Mac mini > AVI ADM9Ts
I bought an external soundcard for my laptop the other day, specifically for playing music, only to find it doesn't support 16-bit 44kHz output (I kid you not), so I can't use it with WASAPI and Foobar! That's the kind of stupid EDITED irritating, idiotic, EDITED-kicking, window-licking sort of rubbish that you have to put up with when using PCs and is exactly the reason why I don't want one in my living room attempting to play music for me. I've had my Sonos for over 5 years and I've never had one single issue with it (I'm fully expecting to go home this evening to find it all in a smouldering heap now of course!).
So you didn't bother to read the product capabilities before you bought it? Hardly the fault of the Pc or the equipment. Should've bought a Macbook.
Edit: I can see your frustration when I select to quote your EDITED post.
A dedicated streaming ecosystem. Sonos doesn't do anything else, it just plays music, it couldn't get any more dedicated and it's definitely a streamer. I'm sorry but I think you've got your wires crossed here.
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No, not at all. I consider a dedicated standalone streamer as someting that can be plugged in and operated straight out of the box without any accessories. A Sonos device needs other Sonos devices or remotes added for full functionality.
So you didn't bother to read the product capabilities before you bought it?
No, you're right, beyond the general guff on the webpage I didn't delve into the detail of what sample rates it did or didn't support (and probably wouldn't have realised the implications for WASAPI even if I had if I'm honest) but you kind of expect standard CD quality to be a given with these things, especially with the emphasis given to audio quality in said guff.
No but you miss the point (more on that in a second), it is however the fault of the PC that with 4GB of RAM and a quad-core processor it still isn't capable of playing simple audio without stuttering just because I happen to have a number of webpages open in Chrome, that's just pathetic!
The point, however, is that with my dedicated streaming solution (Sonos) I don't have any of those concerns, I just press play. That's it. It sounds like a cliche but when I bought the bundle (two zoneplayers and a remote control) it *LITERALLY* (and I mean that literally) took me longer to unbox the components than it did to get them working and they've never stopped working since that day. That's worth a lot of money and I paid less for them than for a top end Media PC.
Err, no, one Sonos device will operate by itself quite happily. I'm not aware of any streamers that don't come with a remote, so I'm not sure what your point is? It's entirely possible to run a Sonos zoneplayer without a remote at all if you choose to push audio to it using DNLA (which is possible, although not exactly supported but it works fine). The only thing the Sonos would then need to do is change volume and you can do that using the buttons on the unit itself, which seems to meet your criteria.
your pc sounds utterly screwed to be honest!
IMHO a dedicated streamer system made by a specialized audio company could work.
We can agree there then, as that's what is being debated. You might think my SBT doesn't count, and I'd have thought the same until I heard it!
Of course it could. But there would be a lot of things to consider before it would beat my MacBook + Airport Express + DAC + iPad remote control in SQ, usability and backup options.
First of all you need decent software for ripping, catalogueing and playback. Furthermore you would have to think of a backup plan in case the hard drive in your streamer concoction would die. And then you would have to think of upgrading options. People have very critical of Apple for creating a walled garden. In fact ALAC is now a standard supported by other makers and if I wanted I could convert all my current ALAC files to FLAC if I wanted to change my environment.
Another thing to consider is the possibility to upgrade your WiFi environment if standards change. With bog standard equipment there is always room for upgrades and improvements. A decicated streaming device means you will be locked in to that particular brand. It's utterly laughable that a company like Cambridge Audio produces a streaming device that doesn't even support ALAC files, to give just one example.
Mac Mini (2013), iTunes (ALAC), Airport Express, Cambridge Audio DACmagic, Yamaha R-S500 stereo receiver, Infinity Overture 1 speakers, Sony KDL40HX750, Sony BDP-S-590, Humax iHDR 5200c, Pro-Ject 1Xpression III Comfort with Ortofon 2M Red, Logitech Harmony Touch, Atacama Eris Eco HiFi stand
Of course, it's a PC, that's the default state. I mentioned it to the windows expert here at work the other day, he suggested it needs a complete rebuild. What a load of nonsense! I don't mean he's wrong, I mean it's nonsense that something like that should be necessary.
That sounds like a rubbish PC of very bad wifi. My 5 year old MacBook with 2GB of RAM and a dual core processor is perfectly capable of streaming music without any problems, even while browsing the internet or doing other things.
not necessarily. Totally depends on the user. some people will click *anything* and then they wonder why their pc is screwed when they've allowed half the internet access to ti and it's being used to relay spam to half of china :D In those instances a rebuild is faster than a fix.
In the meantime, get a copy of linuxmint, put it on a usb stick and run that. you'll probably find most of your issues solved and you've not had to rebuild anything (tongue in cheek by the way, but if you have a spare 5 minutes, try it!)
There aren't really, using the same DAC it'll sound exactly the same.
So do you.
So would you.
My streamer supports both already.
Most streamers can have additional formats added through firmware updates, which is almost exactly the same as you downloading a new codec to support another format.
No, not necessarily, most of them are using standard protocols and using a Linn streamer (just by way of example) doesn't mean you have to use a Linn DAC or something.
That is poor but it doesn't mean the same applies to all streamers.
Who made this PC? So we can avoid them.
That sounds like a rubbish PC[/quote]
It's a Dell but it's the same hardware as all the others underneath.
Nice try but this is just playing audio stored on the internal HDD!
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