To be fair the PC / MAC to dac solition is the more basic set up and better for the less tech savy.
Mac mini > AVI ADM9Ts
Not really .... basic plug and play from a PC / MAC direct to hi fi or or more advanced home network solutions
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Very interesting thread.
At the moment I stream from NAS to Yamaha AV, but also have hard drive attached to BluRay player.
This is fine for party's etc, but having my two channel system I started to think about a streamer fo
that, but then realised I've got three netbooks hanging around redundant, so one of my net books will
become my streamer and attached via a DAC to amp.
If I hadn't have had the netbooks I think I would have gone for a dedicated streamer for pure convienience.
My problem now is which DAC
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Now going off topic, but for use with a netbook only, I'd choose a good small USB DAC.
I still maintain, if at some point you build a hi-res library a standalone streamer is the way to go, otherwise you'll be doing a lot of faffing on a PC. I too don't disagree that in SQ terms there may be no difference, but personally I'd be more comfy without a PC.
I agree 100%.
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I don't have a streamer, how do you access all the tracks/albums on a streamer?
I've been using iTunes since version 1.0. With the improvement over the years I have come to the conclusion that it's a very useful tool to build a music library. Since we have an Airport Express, a DAC and an iPad listening to music on the stereo system is extremely convenient and the SQ with ALAC files is great. Just rip everything in iTunes with error correction on. It couldn't be much easier. The iPad works great as remote control for the iTunes library.
And then there's a service like Spotify. That also works great on our Mac and iPad and gets streamed through the DAC.
All our music is on an external HD so we can even take all our music with us when travelling.
I don't understand how a dedicated streamer could improve on this. Where is the control over your music files? And how flexible is a streamer when a new service or a new codec arrives? What if the hard drive in your streamer with hard drives goes belly up? How do you make backups? Our entire music collection is on an external drive and I have a full backup in a different location.
IMHO a dedicated streamer system made by a specialized audio company could work. But then it needs to have at least the same or better features than my Mac. Otherwise I'm not interested.
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By using the supplied remote control or an app for your iPad or phone. For example:-
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IMHO a dedicated streamer system made by a specialized audio company could work.
We can agree there then, as that's what is being debated. You might think my SBT doesn't count, and I'd have thought the same until I heard it!
So by the addition/introduction of a computer into the system then?
If you use a streamer that requires the use of such mobile devices with apps for control, then the streamer cannot be considered 'dedicated'.
Remember that the original question was, what does a dedicated streamer offer over a computer and DAC.
I think you are being argumentative now! You can use a remote control, or is that a computer too? Dedicated here means dedicated to music, rather than spreadsheets or emails, surely?
Of course it can, it's dedicated to playing music. The controller isn't dedicated but generally people aren't buying iPads solely to use as remote controls (you'd have to be pretty rich/stupid to do that), although I do know of people buying very cheap Android tablets as replacements for the Sonos CR200.
That question has been answered many times over. Convenience. I bought an external soundcard for my laptop the other day, specifically for playing music, only to find it doesn't support 16-bit 44kHz output (I kid you not), so I can't use it with WASAPI and Foobar! That's the kind of stupid EDITED irritating, idiotic, EDITED-kicking, window-licking sort of rubbish that you have to put up with when using PCs and is exactly the reason why I don't want one in my living room attempting to play music for me. I've had my Sonos for over 5 years and I've never had one single issue with it (I'm fully expecting to go home this evening to find it all in a smouldering heap now of course!).
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OK thanks but do you need an iphone/ipad? I don't have these devices.
The other problem with streamers seems that many people have networks or internet connection problems, just read the Cambridge opinions on this site. I never have a problem with my computer connection but if I buy a streamer I would be concerned about reliable connections and other access problems, I'm not bothered about playing files but mostly playing Spotify/Rdio and internet radio.
if you managed to pick up an external soundcard that doesn't do 16-bit 44khz it must be either one million years old or have costed about 5p.
that's the standard rate for any pc soundcard.
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