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Gang, there's surely no need to bookend your comments with "in my opinion". It's taken as read. Music is a profoundly emotional experience, so it's always going to be subjective. With that in mind, I'm not sure that these ideas of "musical objectivity", "clarity" or "romantic interpretation" and the like really mean very much.

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You are right (IMO Wink ), but one gets pulled up very quickly if one doesn't...and even sometimes when one does! :shifty:

You are right about peoples' interpretation of what they hear. Your best hope is to listen carefully to your friend's system, and then compare that to some Class D or Active speakers.

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 Once again, this is just my opinion having heard a variety of Valve, Class D and Active speakers; as well as knowing the opinion of quite a few Valve aficionados.

You should listen to some more actives Cno, they really don't all sound alike.  In fact some of them sound very different.

As I'm sure valve amps do. Wink

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I have spent a few months with the Red Spot versions, and a Naim / Harbeth system. 

At first, the AVI were exciting, detailed, impressive. They still are, and are excellent VFM. 

But, over time I have come to realise that the Naim system is far, far more enjoyable to listen to. Tonal accuracy is way ahead, bass is deeper and tuneful, upper frequencies are more airy and overall the Naim is just sounding more real. Build quality is key too, the naim and harbeth are beautifully made, whilst the AVI posses some buzzy connections and cheap cabinets and fittings. 

The AVIs do have some amazing imaging qualities though, and it must be hard to beat them with a passive system at a similar price. But, I find it hard to believe they beat a well matched passive system at 2k or more. 

Perhaps surprising to many, I don't find the AVIs bass light actually; so it shows that room interactions are key, as in the demo I could hardly hear the bass. The AVI are doing an excellent job as a second system with the iMac. Highly recommended!

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 the Naim system...Tonal accuracy is way ahead

As a matter of interest, what do you use as a reference point when assessing this? This seems quite a strong statement to make.

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So how did your audition go ? Share with us    :bounce:        Did you listen  ADM9RS  ? or even with ScanSpeak tweeters? 

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I used to have and upgrade a high end separates system (well respected 5* stuff according to all the hifi mags, running into several £1000s) but changed to the ADM9.1s a couple of years back, but only because my living room looked like a hifi shop and the missus was fed up with all the boxes.  

Just my opinion of course, but sound quality at least as good if not better and the room is so clutter free now.  And yes, I no longer tweak and tinker ... just listen to lots of music.  But like others say, just have a listen yourself at Bartletts and then decide.  I do run a small sub with them but mostly when watching movies.

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I used to have and upgrade a high end separates system (well respected 5* stuff according to all the hifi mags, running into several £1000s) but changed to the ADM9.1s a couple of years back, but only because my living room looked like a hifi shop and the missus was fed up with all the boxes.  

If you don't mind me asking, what did you used to have?

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Re tonal accuracy, I listen to many types of music and have tried this on both systems. 

The AVI are very good at defining each element in a track, and have great clarity and separation which is sometimes hard to find in an average passive system. However, when listening to these individual elements (a piano note, a string, a voice) I find the AVI don't have the same realism with reproducing individual sounds. Pianos sound unusually high, strings don't quite have enough bite, voices sound a little filtered etc. However, the AVIs are very clever in pulling everything together in a dynamic, entertaining sound that is versatile in all genres. I have to accept that Naim and Harbeth isn't great for rock, for example. 

I don't have any agenda here, as I own and enjoy both systems. What I did find (and see earlier threads) is that when I bought the AVI I found them to be equally matched and possibly preferable to the Naim, but living with them over time I have realised that the AVI are initially very impressive (and still are for the money) but I have matured in my own taste for music and find I get much more long term satisfaction that I return to again and again with the Naim. I can see why AVI do so well in the showroom and initially outshine a passive system but I wouldn't have them as my main system. But, I maintain, they cannot be beat for the money. 

The other day I tried the AVI back in the lounge on the same stands as the Naim system. I played a few tracks, finishing on some nick drake. The AVI were very good, and hard to fault. But, placing the Harbeth back on the stands and popping the same Nick drake track on that I had just played, it opened up and I remember just falling back in the chair. It sounded amazing, and I find it hard to forget the emotional connection I had with the music at that moment. 

I have never heard the AVI with a sub, nor with the new tweeters so perhaps that will take them up a notch. I wouldn't mind a 'plus model' with better drivers, better quality cabinet as I believe it's a great product idea and like the simplicity. I know Ashley is trying to keep the costs down for the mainstream market, but an upgraded version would sell, and it would sit between the 9 and the 40. 

Ps, I cannot understand why they are now only available in gloss black or white. I love real veneers, and this new direction is a big shame for me. Gloss finishes are impractical and are limited with decor suitability. I like the small size of the 9s though. 

Like I said, I don't have an agenda here, and really like the AVI but it's a shame to hear people have spent sums like 7k on a system and not been as happy with it as with the AVI. Just shows how important room interaction is, and system synergy. 

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Bialykot wrote:

I used to have and upgrade a high end separates system (well respected 5* stuff according to all the hifi mags, running into several £1000s) but changed to the ADM9.1s a couple of years back, but only because my living room looked like a hifi shop and the missus was fed up with all the boxes.  

If you don't mind me asking, what did you used to have?

 

Top of range Meridian CD player, pre and power amps, B&W Nautilus speakers, Ariston turntable and Dynavector Karat pickup.  Plus lots of other sources.  Great sound but too much equipment so downsized to the ADMs.  The great thing about the ADMs is the flexibility with digital and analogue inputs plus built in amps of course.  Everything clutter free now and added bonus of fabulous sound.  I have a BK XLS200 sub in matching gloss black which works well with them, especially with movies which tend to have a lot more bass energy.  And they play louder than my old system without distorting, but that's at crazy levels.

To be honest, I could live with a high end passive system or the actives purely on sound, but the latter tick all the boxes for me.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Bialykot wrote:

I used to have and upgrade a high end separates system (well respected 5* stuff according to all the hifi mags, running into several £1000s) but changed to the ADM9.1s a couple of years back, but only because my living room looked like a hifi shop and the missus was fed up with all the boxes.  

If you don't mind me asking, what did you used to have?

Top of range Meridian CD player, pre and power amps, B&W Nautilus speakers, Ariston turntable and Dynavector Karat pickup.  Plus lots of other sources.  Great sound but too much equipment so downsized to the ADMs.  The great thing about the ADMs is the flexibility with digital and analogue inputs plus built in amps of course.  Everything clutter free now and added bonus of fabulous sound.  I have a BK XLS200 sub in matching gloss black which works well with them, especially with movies which tend to have a lot more bass energy.  And they play louder than my old system without distorting, but that's at crazy levels.

To be honest, I could live with a high end passive system or the actives purely on sound, but the latter tick all the boxes for me.

 

Thx for the info - it's always more meaningful when you get a comparison against previously owned kit.

Without enjoyment, you have nothing...and if you can get it with less boxes, it's all the better.

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Perhaps surprising to many, I don't find the AVIs bass light actually; so it shows that room interactions are key, as in the demo I could hardly hear the bass. The AVI are doing an excellent job as a second system with the iMac. Highly recommended!

The latest version, the ones you have in the Red Spot, have new drivers which "do" bass.  The earlier models were widely praised for the sound they put out, but generally felt they were bass light (depending on whose view you subscribe to, they were either accurate and gave you "real" bass, or they were on the shy side).

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I bought a pair roughly two years ago for my Dad as we were digitising his record collection. Also as an attempt to simplify his listening experience.

I personally thought they were ok sounding , nothing earth shattering tho. My Dad likes streaming with no buttons so they have done ok by him.

I personally wouldn't give them house room due to the unpleasant views of the sales guy.

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Sorry, I don't recognise that view at all. 

He is confident in his products, and very forthright in his opinions (sometimes a little too forthright). But he has more experience and knows more about hi fi than most of us here ever will. 

Have you based your opinions on the negative comments on here. 

Hes a nice bloke when you meet him, and he keeps in touch with his customers. I can see how he winds people up, I do too sometimes. 

UNPLEASANT VIEWS, not fair. 

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That is your opinion Richard and I respect it. My experience, however , is different.

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And no my views are not based on comments here. I was a member "there" before here thank you.

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