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Large bold type! You shouldn't have - I'm not worthy!

Don't worry I didn't, it was copied straight from a website. rolling on the floor laughing

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busb wrote:
I can also remember the phrase "Gerry built" being used to describe shoddy goods. We were ar war with both the Germans & Japanese not long before. War machines never propagate good feelings about enemies & truthfulness isn't a high priority!

Although of course the term 'jerry-built' has nothing to do with the wartime slang term for the German people.

Yup, before the first and second world wars the Germans mass produced metal containers or Wehrmacht-Einheitskanister (may have mis-spelt) were stockpiled. They were cheap to produce and any cheap metal products, such as food tins or containers for personal hygiene, were coined jerrycans. As far as I'm aware, there's no direct link to the German people.

Take the story a bit further. Legend has it the name was taken from the inventor of metal cans Gerald Ringpull. He later became a multi Billionaire, and owned a large mews in New York where full production of small metal storage units started life. It quickly gained a formidable reputation, later known, affectionately, as 'Tin Can Alley'.    Smile

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To return to the OP I found this on a government website:

 

Country of origin markings

Generally speaking, there is no requirement in the law of the United Kingdom or the European Union for goods to bear marks indicating their origin, nor is there anything to prevent voluntary origin marking where traders wish to do so. However, where such marks are applied to goods, the Trade Descriptions Act 1968 (TDA) effectively requires these marks to be accurate. Subject to certain defences, this Act makes it a criminal offence for a person, in the course of business, to apply false or misleading trade descriptions to goods. The term "trade description" includes, amongst others, an indication, however given, of the "place of manufacture, production, processing or reconditioning" of the goods.

 

So I think they can put "Made in China" if they like or leave it off if they like.  Having their UK address is fine unless it said "Made in the UK" when it wasn't.

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Interesting, I would interpret what they have done as sailing close to the wind personally. It serves no purpose to put Huntingdon, England on there other than to deceive. If you were to ask 100 people on the street "where is this made" I would bet at least 85% would say England, that would then come under the misleading part of the above text.

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eggontoast wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

To return to the OP I found this on a government website:

 

Country of origin markings

Generally speaking, there is no requirement in the law of the United Kingdom or the European Union for goods to bear marks indicating their origin, nor is there anything to prevent voluntary origin marking where traders wish to do so. However, where such marks are applied to goods, the Trade Descriptions Act 1968 (TDA) effectively requires these marks to be accurate. Subject to certain defences, this Act makes it a criminal offence for a person, in the course of business, to apply false or misleading trade descriptions to goods. The term "trade description" includes, amongst others, an indication, however given, of the "place of manufacture, production, processing or reconditioning" of the goods.

 

So I think they can put "Made in China" if they like or leave it off if they like.  Having their UK address is fine unless it said "Made in the UK" when it wasn't.

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Interesting, I would interpret what they have done as sailing close to the wind personally. It serves no purpose to put Huntingdon, England on there other than to deceive. If you were to ask 100 people on the street "where is this made" I would bet at least 85% would say England, that would then come under the misleading part of the above text.

I think the word disingenuous sums it up. I assume everything is made in China until I know otherwise! As a general observation, I'd say the reliability of electronic goods has increased dramatically over the last 30yrs.

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RE: Audiolab and Country Of Origin markings ?

Seems obvious to me that they're wanting you to believe the product is UK made and are using deliberately obscure phrasing to prevent themselves from falling foul of the law. Clearly if they felt a label saying "Made in China" held esoteric kudos, then that's what would be on the back.

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When I make my amplifier I shall put on the back

Parts roughed out in China. Honed and finished in the UK.

No misleading comments there:rofl:

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AMR also do it for their (very expensive) hifi gear that they have made in the far east ... they put either "Design and engineered in Great Britain" or just put "Great Britain" on the back. Even inside their products they sometimes have in big letters "Hand Made" alongside a UK web address ... So it would seem that "Designed in GB" carries some kudos, but "Made in PRC" probably doesn't.

PS ... their stuff is meant to be very good, so the above comment is in no way related to the quality of their products.

 

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While there is a lot of tat that comes out of China, I really don't think it bothers people that much any more. It comes up in conversation very ocassionally, and if anyone asks me, I always tell them that it is made in China - no secret. Other than my projector, my whole AV system is made in China, and if I ever go for any of Ken Kreisel's upcoming speakers, it'll still all be made in China. The differentiation between the tat and what we buy from specialist dealers is that the likes of Audiolab etc are made in their own purpose built facilities where they can can control quality, unlike the tat we see in pound shops etc.

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Dave, no-one is seriously questioning the quality of Audiolab or any other Chinese brand. The issue is why Audiolab are obscuring their equipment's place of manufacture and the nationality of their company.

You'd think the Chang brothers (IAG owners and founders) would be proud of it.

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I don't know Chebby. They're based here, so it follows they'd put their own contact details first and foremost, as if someone buys one of their products that aren't as wise as mst of us on this forum, they're going to look at the back of the product or manual to find contact details in case of any problems. Manuals get lost, so putting it on the product makes sense. Why they don't mention CHina I don't know, but then, not too many products have their place of manufacture on them nowadays.

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I don't know Chebby. They're based here, so it follows they'd put their own contact details first and foremost, as if someone buys one of their products that aren't as wise as mst of us on this forum, they're going to look at the back of the product or manual to find contact details in case of any problems. Manuals get lost, so putting it on the product makes sense. Why they don't mention CHina I don't know, but then, not too many products have their place of manufacture on them nowadays.

Dave, they are not based here. Their headquarters are in China. A short distance from their factories in Shenzhen. The UK has a regional office in Huntingdon and a UK warehouse in Yorkshire.

 

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That may be, but we deal with Huntingdon Smile

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The issue is why Audiolab are obscuring their equipment's place of manufacture and the nationality of their company.

I don't think the intention here is to obscure Chebby. Audiolab like Quad, Mission, Wharfedale and Castle are British borne brands. OK, they have Chinese owners. IAG UK is based here and, as a previous post said, you don't have to put the country of origin on to comply but if you do, it has to be factual.

I think the issue is more down to confusion by some customers. The Changs aren't daft and they comply with the law. I seriously doubt that there is any subtifuge going on at all. It would be interesting to see what is on the back of say Wharfedale loudspeakers. Wharfedale, Huntingdon UK maybe???.

what about it David??

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That may be, but we deal with Huntingdon Smile

Ok, you win. IAG are British then. They have one of their sales and support offices here so they must be. (Note to self, never argue with someone who sells the stuff.)

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I think the issue is more down to confusion by some customers. The Changs aren't daft and they comply with the law. I seriously doubt that there is any subtifuge going on at all. It would be interesting to see what is on the back of say Wharfedale loudspeakers. Wharfedale, Huntingdon UK maybe???.

what about it David??

Designed and engineered in England. And, like Quad, lists the Huntingdon address.

Which I suppose is technically correct, as they're not saying they're made in England, but I can see where the confusion would come in there.

Quad has "Quad Electroacoustics" and then the Huntingdon address.

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