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BenLaw wrote:
I didn't say ATCs are perfect speakers / that they measure perfectly / that I have any opinion as regards them v LS50s. I was making the very simple point that the LS50s are *not* perfect speakers. As a consequence, no-one can say that speaker X is worse than the LS50s if thy haven't heard speaker X.
No speaker is perfect. Any comparisons, even those made by those who have heard both, are purely personal.

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The only comparison I'm aware from people who've heard both comes from WHF. FWIW they think the 11s are better.
Unless someone has accurately measured both and can state which is technically better, any comparisons will be purely personal. Unless the LS50s are mentioned in the mag version of the review, I don't see any comparison by WHF.

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You're still missing the point that (i) they're not at the same price...
Since when did price come into things? Sure, the WHF awards are split into price points for obvious reasons, but I wasn't aware that speakers could only be compared (and can only compare) to other speakers if they are the same price.

Here you have two speakers. Both have been designed with one goal in mind, but differing technologies have given the buyer two similar, but also very different, end results. Those who are actually looking to buy (rather than defending a particular corner on a forum) can compare both side by side and choose whichever one they feel suits their listening habits, their music choices, their system, their room, their budget, and their own personal preference.

The new SCM11s are very similar as far as bass is concerned, so anyone wasn't keen on the originals, chances are, they're not going to like the new ones too much. But they have been vastly improved with regards to the new HF unit. They're more detailed, and those that felt that the original SCM11s were a little laid back with regards to the higher frequencies, will more than likely love the new version.

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The comparison and its location has been referred to about four times in this thread, initially by alchemist, but I know you don't like reading other people's posts when it gets in the way of bleating on.

Apologies for not being able to read every single post in this thread - work gets in the way sometimes...

 

You quoted and even edited my post where I first referred to where the comparison was, so it seems you had read it. Not sure what work has to do with anything, we all have jobs. I prefer to read what I'm replying to in order to be relevant and respectful to the person I'm replying to. It more seems to reflect an attitude than busyness with work. 

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In fact reflecting on the ATC 11's I had, the bass might be too clean and textured for my taste.

Will have to see if the new curved model is any different.

Hi alchemist 1

I think that its great that ATC design their monitors to have extremely low distortion at all levels which helps reproduce bass cleanly  :clap:

Anyway please promise me that you'll only listen to a broken in pair of the new curved passive SCM11monitors  :pray:

ATC monitoring. Musical accuracy Smile

All the best

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You quoted and even edited my post where I first referred to where the comparison was, so it seems you had read it. Not sure what work has to do with anything, we all have jobs. I prefer to read what I'm replying to in order to be relevant and respectful to the person I'm replying to. It more seems to reflect an attitude than busyness with work.

I saw the post after you linked to it. I edit (cut down) posts I'm replying to as usually there is only a small section that is relevant to the reply - you may seen a complete thread about this subject recently where it irritates people. I prefer to leave being irritating to other people...

Regarding work, some people are busier than others. Some get to read the whole forum and manage to keep abreast of everything, and still have time to pick on other people. Others have a limited time to spend browsing, catching up, so might miss a few posts here and there. Remind me why you haven't heard LS50s again?

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Why do we keep comparing the ATC SCM11 and the KEF LS50?

 

Wouldn't the SCM7 be the better comparison for the LS50?

 

They are similar in both size and price. Not sure about the UK, but in the US they are the exact same price.

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Wouldn't the SCM7 be the better comparison for the LS50?

You are correct. The old SCM11 were about the same price, but with the new range, the SCM7 is a similar price.

(see what I did there ben?)  Wink

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

BenLaw wrote:
The comparison and its location has been referred to about four times in this thread, initially by alchemist, but I know you don't like reading other people's posts when it gets in the way of bleating on.

Apologies for not being able to read every single post in this thread - work gets in the way sometimes...

As for the opinions section of the reviews, I generally don't read them.

Again, whether price is a factor or not is up to the individual - but I suppose with the SCM11 costing 50% more, it will more than likely be a factor for many.

And do feel free to point out any "bleating". This just seems to be more negativity against myself on your part. I'm off for lunch and to watch some films.

Oh, and one of our regulars will be coming in very soon and bringing his original SCM11s in to directly compare to the new ones. I'll pass on his thoughts (whatever they are) if anyone is interested.

    Having not auditioned the new passives yet. [currently house renovating] .

                  I was just curious if your regular customer had been in and compared old annd new models ?

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Having not auditioned the new passives yet. [currently house renovating] .

I was just curious if your regular customer had been in and compared old annd new models ?

I think he went away on holiday, so didn't get round to it straight away. In the end he took them home to compare directly in his own system, and preferred his SCM11s. He felt the newer ones were a little too forward.

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Having not auditioned the new passives yet. [currently house renovating] .

Hi alchemist 1

The chances are that you'll finish renovating your house before you get to listen to a broken in pair of curved SCM11 monitors ROFL

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

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   Six months down the line [still not had chance to demo].

 How have the new ATC's bedded in.

Do we have any new owners who can pass on their findings ?........:)

 

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