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Hi all,

Seems to be the same speaker, except scm20 weights much more...

 

http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm20/

http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/entry-series/scm19/

 

what are the differences between them?

 

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The SCM20 belong to what could be called the 'classic' line of loudspeakers - speakers built more or less without compromise for studio use as well as domestic. The later SCM (7, 11, 19, 40) are more of a domestic product. While the mid/bass driver of both models share the same heritage, the rest of the speaker (crossover/HF unit etc) will be different.

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Hi David,

do you have scm20 on demo? what is your opinion on them soundwise compared to scm19?

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We don't at the moment. We don't even have the SCM19 on demo as we've sold off the whole range in anticipation of the forthcoming new SCM range.

The 'entry level' SCM (7, 11, 19) are an easier listen for most people as they're quite smooth. The 'classic' SCM (20 and above) are more ruthlessly revealing and are more of a 'warts and all' presentation, which may not be to everyone's liking, but that's for you to decide. If an album is recorded in a 'raw' way, that is how I like to hear it.

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Hi krolikgena

SCM20's and SCM19 use the same SLMT Mid/LF drive unit. The main difference between these two monitors is that SCM20's use a superior HF unit (from Seas). As good a SCM20's are however i believe SCM19's offer even better VFM though.

Anyway we've had ATC's new curved SCM11 passive monitors in recently. The new curved SCM11 monitors incorporate the long and eagerly awaited ATC HF drive unit (SH25-76). ATC's goal was to have their own HF units offer levels of performance that were on par with their state of the art Original and Super Soft Dome mid range drive units. With their new SH25-76 HF unit I truly feel that ATC have achieved this goal. The lack of colouration, clarity, precision, power and the sheer naturalness of the sound reproduced by SH25-76 HF drive unit is remarkable. Wow :D It took ATC nearly eight years to design and develop their HF drive unit but boy was it worth the wait Smile

I hate to say it however feel the new curved SCM11's (with the incorporation of the SH25-76 and other improvements ATC have made) offer better overall performance then SCM19's.

All the best

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi krolikgena

SCM20's and SCM19 use the same SLMT Mid/LF drive unit. The main difference between these two monitors is that SCM20's use a superior HF unit (from Seas). As good a SCM20's are however i believe SCM19's offer even better VFM though.

Anyway we've had ATC's new curved SCM11 passive monitors in recently. The new curved SCM11 monitors incorporate the long and eagerly awaited ATC HF drive unit (SH25-76). ATC's goal was to have their own HF units offer levels of performance that were on par with their state of the art Original and Super Soft Dome mid range drive units. With their new SH25-76 HF unit I truly feel that ATC have achieved this goal. The lack of colouration, clarity, precision, power and the sheer naturalness of the sound reproduced by SH25-76 HF drive unit is remarkable. Wow :D It took ATC nearly eight years to design and develop their HF drive unit but boy was it worth the wait Smile

I hate to say it however feel the new curved SCM11's (with the incorporation of the SH25-76 and other improvements ATC have made) offer better overall performance then SCM19's.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

    Hello Rick, do you have the spec. for the new models ?
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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi krolikgena

SCM20's and SCM19 use the same SLMT Mid/LF drive unit. The main difference between these two monitors is that SCM20's use a superior HF unit (from Seas). As good a SCM20's are however i believe SCM19's offer even better VFM though.

Anyway we've had ATC's new curved SCM11 passive monitors in recently. The new curved SCM11 monitors incorporate the long and eagerly awaited ATC HF drive unit (SH25-76). ATC's goal was to have their own HF units offer levels of performance that were on par with their state of the art Original and Super Soft Dome mid range drive units. With their new SH25-76 HF unit I truly feel that ATC have achieved this goal. The lack of colouration, clarity, precision, power and the sheer naturalness of the sound reproduced by SH25-76 HF drive unit is remarkable. Wow :D It took ATC nearly eight years to design and develop their HF drive unit but boy was it worth the wait Smile

I hate to say it however feel the new curved SCM11's (with the incorporation of the SH25-76 and other improvements ATC have made) offer better overall performance then SCM19's.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

    Hello Rick, do you have the spec. for the new models ?

Hi alchemist 1

Any particular models?

All the best

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi krolikgena

SCM20's and SCM19 use the same SLMT Mid/LF drive unit. The main difference between these two monitors is that SCM20's use a superior HF unit (from Seas). As good a SCM20's are however i believe SCM19's offer even better VFM though.

Anyway we've had ATC's new curved SCM11 passive monitors in recently. The new curved SCM11 monitors incorporate the long and eagerly awaited ATC HF drive unit (SH25-76). ATC's goal was to have their own HF units offer levels of performance that were on par with their state of the art Original and Super Soft Dome mid range drive units. With their new SH25-76 HF unit I truly feel that ATC have achieved this goal. The lack of colouration, clarity, precision, power and the sheer naturalness of the sound reproduced by SH25-76 HF drive unit is remarkable. Wow :D It took ATC nearly eight years to design and develop their HF drive unit but boy was it worth the wait Smile

I hate to say it however feel the new curved SCM11's (with the incorporation of the SH25-76 and other improvements ATC have made) offer better overall performance then SCM19's.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

    Hello Rick, do you have the spec. for the new models ?

Hi alchemist 1

Any particular models?

All the best

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Hi Rick,

so will there be a new curved scm19?  or the update only covers 7 and 11 models?

anyway, money aside, do the scm19 have any benefit soundwise over scm20?  except as i understand being a bit smoother in the treble. and what is the price difference?

thanks

 

 

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Hi alchemist 1

Thanks for your reply.

I'll post something later.

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krolikgena wrote:

Hi Rick,

so will there be a new curved scm19?  or the update only covers 7 and 11 models?

anyway, money aside, do the scm19 have any benefit soundwise over scm20?  except as i understand being a bit smoother in the treble. and what is the price difference?

thanks

 

 

Hi krolikgena

Yes, there will also be new curved SCM19 and curved SCM40 passive monitors which will also incorporate the SH25-76 HF unit.

No, SCM20's are ultimately better then SCM19's. SCM19's delivery is not quite a direct as SCM20's.

SCM19's RRP £1924 (Cherry), £2049 (Black)

SCM-20 SL Black £2943, Cherry / Walnut £3100, Yew / Rosewood £3322

All the best

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

krolikgena wrote:

Hi Rick,

so will there be a new curved scm19?  or the update only covers 7 and 11 models?

anyway, money aside, do the scm19 have any benefit soundwise over scm20?  except as i understand being a bit smoother in the treble. and what is the price difference?

thanksHi Rick How much will the SCM 40s be and when can we expect to see/hear them many thanks 

 

 

 

Hi krolikgena

Yes, there will also be new curved SCM19 and curved SCM40 passive monitors which will also incorporate the SH25-76 HF unit.

No, SCM20's are ultimately better then SCM19's. SCM19's delivery is not quite a direct as SCM20's.

SCM19's RRP £1924 (Cherry), £2049 (Black)

SCM-20 SL Black £2943, Cherry / Walnut £3100, Yew / Rosewood £3322

All the best

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RE: ATC RE: ATC

krolikgena wrote:

Hi Rick,

so will there be a new curved scm19?  or the update only covers 7 and 11 models?

anyway, money aside, do the scm19 have any benefit soundwise over scm20?  except as i understand being a bit smoother in the treble. and what is the price difference?

thanks

 

 

               So is this a completely new  model range ? Nothing on ATC's site .:?
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hi alchemist 1

Curved SCM11 monitors -

Drivers: ATC HF Neo Soft Dome, Mid/LF ATC 150mm CLD
Matched Response: ±0.5dB
Frequency Response (-6dB): 56Hz-22kHz
Dispersion: ±80° Coherent Horizontal, ±10° Coherent Vertical
Sensitivity: 85dB @ 1W @ 1metre
Max SPL: 108dB
Recommended Power Amplifier: 50 to 300 Watts
Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohm
Crossover Frequency: 2.1kHz
Connectors : Binding Posts/4mm Plugs, bi-wire
Cabinet Dimensions (HxWxD): 380x232x235mm (grill adds 28mm to depth)
Weight: 8.5kg

Curved SCM19 monitors -

Drivers: HF ATC 25mm Neo Soft Dome, Mid/LF ATC 150mm Super Linear
Matched Response: ±0.5dB
Frequency Response (-6dB): 54Hz-22kHz
Dispersion: ±80° Coherent Horizontal, ±10° Coherent Vertical
Sensitivity: 85dB @ 1W @ 1metre
Max SPL: 108dB
Recommended Power Amplifier: 50 to 300 Watts
Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohm
Crossover Frequency: 2.4kHz
Connectors: Binding Posts/4mm Plugs, bi-wire
Cabinet Dimensions (HxWxD): 438x265x300mm (grill adds 34mm to depth)
Weight: 16kg

Pictures of some of the new ATC components are on the home page of our website

All the best

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Pictures of some of the new ATC components are on the home page of our website

Thanks, Rick.

I guess they're monitors, so not designed to look friendly in a living room (and they look worse with the grills on IMO.)

Is black the only finish? Any news of prices?

Matt

 

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matt49 wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

Pictures of some of the new ATC components are on the home page of our website

Thanks, Rick.

I guess they're monitors, so not designed to look friendly in a living room (and they look worse with the grills on IMO.)

Is black the only finish? Any news of prices?

Matt

 

Hi matt49

Your welcome.

Curved SCM7 Cherry £810, £673 Black

Curved SCM11 Cherry £1200, £1149 Black

Curved SCM19 Cherry £1924, £2049 Black

Curved SCM40  Cherry £2663, £2741 Black

All the best

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