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ok then - some people like to

ok then - some people like to hear equipment in a hifi shop/dealers etc. I have done this on numerous occasions and also had equipment at home to listen to.
I would not go as far as to say any of it sounded a "polar opposite" at home. The experiences in the dealers was more than useful.
I would never buy blind unless you had a facility to return the said item.
You would surely try on a pair of shoes before you bought them?
Speakers on a sideboard? I would think that the OP would be certainly not realising the potential of his system by a long way.
Back to the radiogram! - lol
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The only time I've purchased blind ended in disaster.

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The only time I've bought blind was a total success - Marantz Pearl Lite SACD and of course Panasonic TV (?).

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I would never buy blind unless you had a facility to return the said item. You would surely try on a pair of shoes before you bought them? Speakers on a sideboard? tonky

I've bought many pairs of shoes on the internet without (obviously) trying them on first!

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To the OP I'd recommend the

To the OP I'd recommend the Rotel - 1520.

Its an 'assertive' listen good for uptempo music. if your within the 30day return period its worth considering getting an exchange.

I too agree demos are a waste of time and stumbled across my system which works really well together but may not have got my cash if I had auditioned them with other kit seperately......lol.

Problem is if you audition kit to death its really hard to then confess to being wrong and taking the stuff back to a patient dealer.

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IME. A system that is good for classical music requires even more care when it comes to the choices you make.

Absolutely. But most of this can gaged from reading good reviews, especially those in Gramophone magazine. You will find that most people who spend a lot of time listening to classical recordings and have a large collection, spend little time thinking or worying about HiFi. Mostly, they bought very good kit that was recomended to them and purchsed in one go.

IME. If you want classical music to be exciting, natural and packet with emotion, you need to be looking at Valve amps from the likes of Icon Audio, Unison Research and Puresound; Hybrid amps from Pathos; or SS amps from Audio Analogue or Electrompaniet.

Speakers from Sonus Faber, Audio Note, Opera and Kef R Series / LS50 would also be my choice.

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cse wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

IME. A system that is good for classical music requires even more care when it comes to the choices you make.

Absolutely. But most of this can gaged from reading good reviews, especially those in Gramophone magazine. You will find that most people who spend a lot of time listening to classical recordings and have a large collection, spend little time thinking or worying about HiFi. Mostly, they bought very good kit that was recomended to them and purchsed in one go.

IME. If you want classical music to be exciting, natural and packet with emotion, you need to be looking at Valve amps from the likes of Icon Audio, Unison Research and Puresound; Hybrid amps from Pathos; or SS amps from Audio Analogue or Electrompaniet.

Speakers from Sonus Faber, Audio Note, Opera and Kef R Series / LS50 would also be my choice.

 

mmmm....for classical music I'd actually suggest getting an AV reciever with a load of DSP settings, seriously. If you want a performance with real depth some of the 'Hall settings' are really good for that 'being there' feel.

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I would have thought a good stereo amp and speakers would give appreciable depth with classical music if it was present on the original recording. My classical recordings do.

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I would have thought a good stereo amp and speakers would give appreciable depth with classical music if it was present on the original recording. My classical recordings do.

tonky

 

in my limited experience with classical music the recording method used does not allow for the sort of seperation and soundstaging found in other types of music - its a general almost mono presentation -  a performance of a whole as opposed to individual performers within a group .... if you know what I mean?

what the DSP does is expand the sound to mimick an actual concert - works well with old Jazz too and live recordings. Its worth trying if you have the facility.

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Thompsonuxb wrote:

tonky wrote:

I would have thought a good stereo amp and speakers would give appreciable depth with classical music if it was present on the original recording. My classical recordings do.

tonky

in my limited experience with classical music the recording method used does not allow for the sort of seperation and soundstaging found in other types of music - its a general almost mono presentation -  a performance of a whole as opposed to individual performers within a group .... if you know what I mean?

what the DSP does is expand the sound to mimick an actual concert - works well with old Jazz too and live recordings. Its worth trying if you have the facility.

An apposite moment, I hope, to bring these words on the subject by Andrew Everard (until recently, of this parish) ...

http://andreweverard.com/2013/08/22/its-the-soundstage-stupid/

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IME. If you want classical music to be exciting, natural and packet with emotion, you need to be looking at Valve amps from the likes of Icon Audio, Unison Research and Puresound; Hybrid amps from Pathos; or SS amps from Audio Analogue or Electrompaniet.

Speakers from Sonus Faber, Audio Note, Opera and Kef R Series / LS50 would also be my choice.

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Quad?, Spendor?, Harbeth?, Arcam?

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Quad?, Spendor?, Harbeth?, Arcam?

Yes, all the above, especially Quad Valve amps and Electrostatics, Spendor SA1 / STs / Classic range and all Harbeths.

It wasn't my intention to list every possible brand, but give a flavour of which direction I believe is best.

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Thompsonuxb wrote:

tonky wrote:

I would have thought a good stereo amp and speakers would give appreciable depth with classical music if it was present on the original recording. My classical recordings do.

tonky

in my limited experience with classical music the recording method used does not allow for the sort of seperation and soundstaging found in other types of music - its a general almost mono presentation -  a performance of a whole as opposed to individual performers within a group .... if you know what I mean?

what the DSP does is expand the sound to mimick an actual concert - works well with old Jazz too and live recordings. Its worth trying if you have the facility.

An apposite moment, I hope, to bring these words on the subject by Andrew Everard (until recently, of this parish) ...

http://andreweverard.com/2013/08/22/its-the-soundstage-stupid/

just read the link......

if I compare the Gladiator Soundtrack cd with my Very best of Beethoven the recording methods are different the Gladiator cd is recorded much like a 'modern' record 'everything' engineered in.  the VBOB is recorded more generally,,,, so are the other(few) classical albums in my collection.

funnily enough old jazz is recorded very 2 channel which the dsp seems to work very well with when expanding - Lee Morgans 'Sidewinder' cd is a good example, sounds onit via the dsp.

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Would speakers on stands

Would speakers on stands placed 2ft and 4ft away from the sideboard be a better idea? One of them being in a corner.
I'm really struggling with this null at the moment. Sad

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HiWhat height and distance

Hi
What height and distance apart do you have your speakers?
Stands would be a good idea if you have room.
I had a problem with matching amp and speakers but it was excessive brightness I was experiencing rather than being laid back with no punch.
A Roksan Kandy K2 amp & matching CD player sorted
it out.
The K2 amp is powerful and versatile and will certainly liven things up.
Are you able to exchange the Arcam?

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RE: Would speakers on stands

Hayche wrote:
Would speakers on stands placed 2ft and 4ft away from the sideboard be a better idea? One of them being in a corner. I'm really struggling with this null at the moment. :(

Yes I believe so, have you got something you can put them on to try, like 2 wooden chairs, if you have not got room for stands then you can get some speaker isolation foam that the speakers will sit on, its used in studios sometimes and costs about £30 or there are some very low stands you can put on the sideboard but these cost about £70, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-cSuKzu_w 

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