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RE: Advice on speakers amplifier subwoofer

 

Going back to the original post for a second, you mention passing output from your soundcard via the Pioneer DJM to your new amp. can the souncard be configured for 2 pairs of stereo outputs? For more relaxed listening when not actively mixing it would be good to use a seperate output from soundcard to amp and bypass the mixer, keeping the first output wired via the mixer as you describe so you can use that too when required. I know the Pioneer isn't an ultra cheap nasty mixer but the added stages the music has to pass through don't do it any favours even with a fairly nice mixer.

Don't get too hung up on watts, they're only part of the story. The sensitivity of whatever speakers you choose are the other part of that equation. Basically a measure of how efficiently watts are turned into noise. You seem to want something of quality with enough output to party. That should be achievable if you stick to stereo and drop the idea of surround channels and an AV amp.

I'd guess in a room of that size you have scope to pull speakers away from rear walls and have some flexibility in moving the speakers a few feet to the left or right and so can experiment a little with getting a good location without compromising the aesthetics of the room. If that isn't the case and speakers need to be near rear walls you might have problems especially with rear ported designs.

My general incination is towards compact standmount speakers and a single good sub. Others may prefer big floorstanders, there's no right or wrong here, it's largely down to personal taste. With a room that size you should have quite few options for positioning a sub for good integration. If you need to cover a large seating area with smooth bass multiple subs have advantages but a second sub can be added later. I'd go for the best single sub you can get first.

My product knowledge is somewhat out of date (ahem! my pre amp dates from about 1985) so I'm not going to suggest a list of products I've not heard. Well maybe I will, check out BKelec.com and their Monolith subwoofer or the Monolith+, #mce_temp_url# I suspect it'll be right up your street and is well within budget.

I mentioned personal taste above, is there any kit that you've heard and can say what it is you liked about its sound. That will help the others on here who know current products come up with ideas for the sort of sound you seem to like.

Don't forget to include costs of cables and speaker stands into your budget.

 

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RE: Advice

up the music wrote:

 

Going back to the original post for a second, you mention passing output from your soundcard via the Pioneer DJM to your new amp. can the souncard be configured for 2 pairs of stereo outputs? For more relaxed listening when not actively mixing it would be good to use a seperate output from soundcard to amp and bypass the mixer, keeping the first output wired via the mixer as you describe so you can use that too when required. I know the Pioneer isn't an ultra cheap nasty mixer but the added stages the music has to pass through don't do it any favours even with a fairly nice mixer.

Don't get too hung up on watts, they're only part of the story. The sensitivity of whatever speakers you choose are the other part of that equation. Basically a measure of how efficiently watts are turned into noise. You seem to want something of quality with enough output to party. That should be achievable if you stick to stereo and drop the idea of surround channels and an AV amp.

I'd guess in a room of that size you have scope to pull speakers away from rear walls and have some flexibility in moving the speakers a few feet to the left or right and so can experiment a little with getting a good location without compromising the aesthetics of the room. If that isn't the case and speakers need to be near rear walls you might have problems especially with rear ported designs.

My general incination is towards compact standmount speakers and a single good sub. Others may prefer big floorstanders, there's no right or wrong here, it's largely down to personal taste. With a room that size you should have quite few options for positioning a sub for good integration. If you need to cover a large seating area with smooth bass multiple subs have advantages but a second sub can be added later. I'd go for the best single sub you can get first.

My product knowledge is somewhat out of date (ahem! my pre amp dates from about 1985) so I'm not going to suggest a list of products I've not heard. Well maybe I will, check out BKelec.com and their Monolith subwoofer or the Monolith+, #mce_temp_url# I suspect it'll be right up your street and is well within budget.

I mentioned personal taste above, is there any kit that you've heard and can say what it is you liked about its sound. That will help the others on here who know current products come up with ideas for the sort of sound you seem to like.

Don't forget to include costs of cables and speaker stands into your budget.

 

Sound advice, I echo this ^^

I do recommend you check out NAD as an option for your amp, as they provide dedicated  sub outputs and connectivity for separate power amps if required in the future. NAD amps also produce a lot of power and cleanly deliver twice their quoted output for musical dynamics, as well as having a big and full sound characteristic. I'm out of touch with today's speaker choices so won't bother recommending anything there.

Good luck!

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I kinda sorted out all the setups and made my decision on a 2.2 configuration. Will stick with Harman Hardon HK990 or something similar. The problem is that I don't know if my soundcard can compare to an integrated amp with built in DAC and 2 sub outs ( in terms of quality). And a set of 2 solid floor speakers ...kef q900 or dali concept 10 or dynaudios or others in £1000 - £1500 price range to be powerful and not lose quality at high volumes The subs will be SVS ported or sealed

Will buy the subs after the speakers, but just in case I need them, to be prepared with an amp that can do the work. Otherwise I would just go for marantz pm8004 and a pair of any powerful speakers ... which is the way I want. In the end will all come to leaving the soundcard take the sound and sub management. which, from what I read, can be better than a DAC

Another option could be China made amps: http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Amplifiers/Integrated-Amplifiers/

which from what I read, surpasses many of the consecrated brands. A particular model is Shengya A-216 http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Shengya-A-216-Integrated-Hybrid-Amplifier.... - a review can be found here:  http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue42/shengya_a216.htm

or this Laughing out loud http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Grant-Fidelity-A-348-Integrated-Tube-Ampli...

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I like the cut of your jib. Pls provide a full report and pictures once you have completed this setup. I think the main issue you will need to resolve is getting the balance you want between good sound and earth shaking bass, because the gear you are looking at to provide the bass you crave may not be able to fulfill traditional hifi aims of fidelity/realism. 

You may need to decide on whether you want a nightclub PA system or a hifi.

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