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RE: ADM9RS or good British passive system?

But "sounds better" is such a subjective comment, is it really relevant? After all, I could happily state I believe this sounds better than the AVIs. Who knows I might even be telling the truth?

I would have thought someone like Ashley would have produced some graphs to prove that the AVIs sounded better. So that I could look at those rather than listening to the speakers. After all, who wants to listen to music when there's graphs to look at?

 

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If the products cost more than £100,000 difference in price, yet the expensive one sounds worse, - then, yes, I think it is relevent !

 

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professorhat wrote:

But "sounds better" is such a subjective comment, is it really relevant? After all, I could happily state I believe this sounds better than the AVIs. Who knows I might even be telling the truth?

I would have thought someone like Ashley would have produced some graphs to prove that the AVIs sounded better. So that I could look at those rather than listening to the speakers. After all, who wants to listen to music when there's graphs to look at?

 

 

One also needs to qualify what is meant by 'better'.

 

Better overall?  

 

Better in specific areas?  

 

Better, as in a carefully controlled blind ABX test, vis a vis live music, one setup more faithfully re-creates the live event than the other.

 

OR, Better, as in, I like it more, OR it does a similar job for vastly less money etc.

 

But it would be an interesting comparison....

 

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To be fair. I don't think it's meant as a 100% serious comment. 

Two very different markets/buyer. 

 

Maybe Naim have been a bit Tongue in cheek calling it The Statement, as I can see it being used as much as a declaration of wealth as it is for it's musical performance. 

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If the products cost more than £100,000 difference in price, yet the expensive one sounds worse, - then, yes, I think it is relevent !

JC

You missed the point JC - where's the graph? I'm not convinced unless there's a graph.

 

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But it would be an interesting comparison....

 

JMac Cool

 

 

 

There you go, JD.  See whether you can get the WHF team to find out if they could do it ?

 

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jcbrum wrote:

JMacMan wrote:

But it would be an interesting comparison....

 

JMac Cool

 

 

 

There you go, JD.  See whether you can get the WHF team to find out if they could do it ?

 

JC

 

I can just hear him running off to do just that right now.

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richardw42 wrote:

To be fair. I don't think it's meant as a 100% serious comment. 

 

 

I don't see why not ?  It's just an amplifier driving passive loudspeakers.

 

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Apologies, if you feel misquoted, RS.  It seemed the relevent bit, to me.

 

Your full post is contained in the thread, nearby, for all to read, so can hardly be missed by interested readers.

 

Clearly, we were both referring to magazine reviews.

 

Don't feel bad about it.   Smile

 

JC

 

I don't thanks JC, as the oversight wasn't mine.  The apology is welcome nonetheless.  And likewise...

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I spent a lot of time, last year, listening to these speakers, with & without a sub woofer. I found their sound too light without the sub, but with it I found them amazing value for money. Moving up the scale, I then went to ATC's factory & spent an afternoon listening to their SCM 50 active & passive speakers. Even better & much more expensive. I still haven't worked out what to do! You just have to book listening appointments & take your own music. Listen, listen & listen some more! Then get confused & do nothing. That appears to be what i do (or don't do). :exmark:

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There is a new bass driver, introduced only a few weeks ago, and a new tweeter, for the ADM9RS, which does extend the bass significantly, Steven.

 

You might find it worth another listen.  Say hello to Mr Townrow, from me, if you visit FWHiFi.

 

Regards, JC.

 

 

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jcbrum wrote:

There is a new bass driver, introduced only a few weeks ago, and a new tweeter, for the ADM9RS, which does extend the bass significantly, Steven.

 

You might find it worth another listen.  Say hello to Mr Townrow, from me, if you visit FWHiFi.

Regards, JC.

 

I thought the bass driver was introduced about 1 year ago?

I know the new tweeter is only a few months old. 

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So when is the 'Turbo' model released??

I thought AVI speakers stood to stop the audiophile upgraditus??? :?

I would go for something that in a couple of years time that has full repair warranty and support, if I were spending £1k+ on new equipment.

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BigH wrote:

Ajani wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

I don't think AVI make any provision for review samples.  Previously reviewed models have been purchased from normal sales stocks, irrc.

 

JC

 

Sure, but IMO WHF shouldn't go that route again. If the manufacturer refuses to submit a sample for review, then no review should be done. I'm sure AVI is doing quite well and can aford to maintain even just 1 sample to send around to major mags for review. The issue is that AVI doesn't want to... So I think the approach should be to encourage Ashley to submit a sample, not for WHF to go out and buy one... 

 

I don't think WHF should rely solely on man. samples to test, they should review the leading hifi products, for example one of the best amps under £1,000 has not been reviewed, its all very well saying the Arcam A19 is the best amp when you have reviewed the Creek 50A. Maybe Creek don't trust WHF reviews?  Also this method can have a very unbalanced coverage, with some brands covered entirely and others none or hardly any at all.

 

Fair points.

 

But why should the review mag be burdened with having to buy products from manufacturers, who clearly don't want to have their products reviewed?

 

How much money would the magazine have to allocate towards buying these products (especially if you consider a group test of expensive kit)?

 

Does it not encourage the manufacturers who actually send out review samples to stop doing so, since now they can pass on that cost to the HiFI mags? 

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Maybe Creek don't trust WHF reviews?

IMO, Reviewers and review mags (even those with a panel of reviewers) tend to have certain sonic preferences. You can often see it in the review language and the reason why one product gets a 5star rating while the other loses that final star... I suspect that many brands go for mags that they think are more likely to favourably review their product... From what I've seen in recent years WHF has rated Creek products as good but not 5 star worthy, so Creek may rightfully be cautious about submiting the EVO 50 for review. Better to submit it to mags like HFC that have been all googly eyed over Creek in recent years...

 

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