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RE: ADM9RS or good British passive system?

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altruistic.lemon wrote:
remember that the Naim/Spendor/Harbeth etc systems will probably outperform the AVIs, simply because their component parts are more expensive

 

Yes, it really is as simple as this lemon says.

 

Except that it isn't true, it doesn't follow and is a comment made more than likely out of some lasting grudge.

 

It's well known that Ashley James and myself do not see eye to eye on much, but there is no doubting the quality of the speakers Avi make.

If you are after a system for under £2000 and you want stand mounts, then you won't get better SQ than with a pair of ADM9RS.

I don't agree they outperform everything and I reckon you may get a better sound if you spend 2 or more times more on passives. By better I mean "preferable" of course.

You can get a similar performance for similar money if you buy studio monitors. I have listened to quite a few and I reckon the similar sized Genelecs are on a par, albeit with a quite different presentation...But then they are more expensive, and require a DAC/Preamp.

 

 

As for the Avi sub. It's pretty small. Smaller than my BK XXLS 400. Subs much smaller aren't often particularly "subby" Smile

 

No grudge, and many of the systems mentioned would knock the AVIs into a cocked hat. In the end they're compromised small speakers which are unlikely to compete at the £2000 mark, better quality will out. Don't doubt that they sound good at their price at all.

Even the sainted Ashley grudgingly admitted my Maggies would sound better.

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If you're seriously interested in a good British set up, you won't go far wrong with the Sugden A21 and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, plus it would be perfect for your taste in music.

Mac

Mac,

with the Sugden A21, would your preference be for Harbeth or Proac?

I appreciate this is a bit like asking the Pope if he's a catholic.   Wink But the Sugden-Proac combo is said to be great and arguably with Proac you get more speaker (in purely physical terms) for you money.  I know that's a very crude measure.

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Macspur wrote:

If you're seriously interested in a good British set up, you won't go far wrong with the Sugden A21 and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, plus it would be perfect for your taste in music.

Mac

Mac,

with the Sugden A21, would your preference be for Harbeth or Proac?

I appreciate this is a bit like asking the Pope if he's a catholic.   Wink But the Sugden-Proac combo is said to be great and arguably with Proac you get more speaker (in purely physical terms) for you money.  I know that's a very crude measure.

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Matt

Good question Matt!

The only ProAcs I've owned were the floor stander Studio130 and I really did love those speakers... I did home demo the Response D18, but for the extra money I didn't feel the improvement in SQ warrented the outlay.

As for Harbeth, well, for me, they are not too disimelar to ProAc, but are just that much more balanced and able to handle a wider variety of music, giving  more natural clarity, seperation and depth.

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Even the sainted Ashley grudgingly admitted my Maggies would sound better.

Really? Now that I didn't think would every happen  Blum 3

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MattSPL wrote:
altruistic.lemon wrote:

Even the sainted Ashley grudgingly admitted my Maggies would sound better.

Really? Now that I didn't think would every happen  Blum 3

 

It did not happen, its Lemon misquoting. 

 

 

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Didn't do any quoting at all, not able to. Speaking from memory the only negative Ashley could think of was the narrowness of the stereo image, otherwise he acknowledged panel designs have advantages.

Given the never-ending tirade against passive designs of his webite, and his continual assertions that any active will beat any passive, that's pretty damn good if you ask me. Worth trying a listen yourself if you haven't, panels can be revelations for many types of music.

 

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Didn't do any quoting at all, not able to. Speaking from memory the only negative Ashley could think of was the narrowness of the stereo image, otherwise he acknowledged panel designs have advantages.

Given the never-ending tirade against passive designs of his webite, and his continual assertions that any active will beat any passive, that's pretty damn good if you ask me. Worth trying a listen yourself if you haven't, panels can be revelations for many types of music.

 

To put the record straight he said "Of course Magnaplanars can be matched and exceeded in clarity, dynamic range, bass reproduction, dispersion and pinpoint imagery and ADMs do it". I can't see anywhere he said Maggies were better.

He also said that in an enormous room with decent American amps they (maggies) are special. But I guess you won't get that for under £3,000? 

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Your last sentence implies that he thought them special, does it not? He seems unaware of their requirements for positioning, room size and amplification - do you know if he has actually heard them in a domestic situation?

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Ashleys' opinion seems very important to you Lemon :grin:

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Couldn't give a toss. His  opinions are seldom worth hearing, if you didn't know that already  :) Smile :smile:" width="19" height="19" class="smiley-class smileysProcessed" />

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Couldn't give a toss. His  opinions are seldom worth hearing, if you didn't know that already  :) Smile :smile:" width="19" height="19" class="smiley-class smileysProcessed" />

Then why do you follow this company and it's staff and it's web forum (and what is said by whom)  so very closely?

You also dive in - without fail - to any related threads here. Odd given that you don't give a ....

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You're a bitter man, aren't you chebby? People can comment on what they like, just as you do with your tiresome (but marvellous) mini system  ;) :wink:" width="15" height="15" class="smiley-class smileysProcessed" />

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Lemon, it seems you obsess over AVI and Ashley. JohnBr, where are you based? The AVI crowd are a friendly bunch and open to giving demonstrations.

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And there was me thinking that this wasn't going to turn into one of *those* threads.

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Aye.

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