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RE: Active hifi peakers or active studio monitors?

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Well we might be starting that from the other end - I'm just finishing up our new budget range (imaginatively titled "1-Series") which are looking and sounding very good indeed, even if I do say so myself! Biggrin

I've set things in motion for the standmounts to have an active version somewhere down the line, probably would retail at £500-£600, possibly followed by the floorstanders at just under £1000...

The active floorstanders in particular would be interesting as there simply aren't many around at any price, let alone at the budget/mid level. I still need to figure out the best connectivity options, do we keep it simple like the AE22's and let people choose their own pre-amp/dacs or try to put it all onboard with umbilical connector between the speakers?  :? The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

I think I'd probably be OK with single inputs if it kept the cost down - most people will just plug a Sonos or similar in the back, which will give them remote volume.  My StreamMagic has a preamp mode which would do the same job (and also has balanced outputs, hint hint...).

You could stick a little cubby hole in the floorstanders to hold a Sonos, and give it an AC out to power it... :-o

 

Single input would not be enough for me, I have 2 digital and 1 RCA (2 inputs) at the moment that is just about enough, for cdp, rca from computer (changing to toslink soon) and TV/dvd, I may add a TT.

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I'm happy with my HiFi.

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Well we might be starting that from the other end - I'm just finishing up our new budget range (imaginatively titled "1-Series") which are looking and sounding very good indeed, even if I do say so myself! Biggrin

I've set things in motion for the standmounts to have an active version somewhere down the line, probably would retail at £500-£600, possibly followed by the floorstanders at just under £1000...

 

The active floorstanders in particular would be interesting as there simply aren't many around at any price, let alone at the budget/mid level. I still need to figure out the best connectivity options, do we keep it simple like the AE22's and let people choose their own pre-amp/dacs or try to put it all onboard with umbilical connector between the speakers?  :? The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

That sounds interesting. Good luck with those.  Smile

 

I haven't heard your most recent speakers but all of the Acoustic Energy bookshelf speakers that I've heard in the past have been good so I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for these.

 

For the inputs I think that the AVI solution of a built-in DAC and pre-amp is ideal with the option of being able to use either a digital or analog input. Having said that I expect there's a market for good quality regular active speakers that need a separate pre-amp. There are so many DACs and pre-amps available nowerdays that it shouldn't be a problem. Apparently even the analogue output from modern TVs are good enough to be used as a credible HiFi source and can also be used to control the volume.

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The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

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AEJim wrote:
The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

Easy peasy.

Almost any studio monitor will do the job, just pick a decent dac/ preamp that has the facilities and the performance that you need.

The only thing that requires a little thought is how you control the volume, I prefer to avoid digital volume controls if at all possible.

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daveh75 wrote:

AEJim wrote:
The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

Easy peasy.

Almost any studio monitor will do the job, just pick a decent dac/ preamp that has the facilities and the performance that you need.

 

Which was the point I was making.

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A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

How many do you want?

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davedotco wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

AEJim wrote:
The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

Easy peasy.

Almost any studio monitor will do the job, just pick a decent dac/ preamp that has the facilities and the performance that you need.

 

Which was the point I was making.

Sorry, so you were, my mistake.

Some very nice equipment in your sig, be interesting to know how you get on with the Mackies, I thought they were a bit of a beast for home use.

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daveh75 wrote:

davedotco wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

AEJim wrote:
The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

Easy peasy.

Almost any studio monitor will do the job, just pick a decent dac/ preamp that has the facilities and the performance that you need.

 

Which was the point I was making.

Completely OT, but how is that Sonos/Seiwin combo?

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RE: Active hifi speakers or active studio monitors?

My desktop system is currently my main system as I am living away from home.

I use a cheap Fiio dac with a pair of Studiospares Seiwin SN4a. This is a tiny speaker with a 4 inch bass driver, so no real bass whatsoever, but with a gentler boost in the mid bass it sounds ok at modest levels.

Given tht it cost under £100 (I got 10% off) it makes an excellent desktop system. Probably fine on a shelf in a bedroom or kitchen too, great value for money as they are reasonably portable and can be driven by an iPod.

Even given their limitations I preferred them to a pair of Diamond 9s and budget amp I tried at Richer Sounds at the time of purchase.

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davedotco wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

AEJim wrote:
The simple line-level in is of course easier for us but I'm not sure it would be as readily accepted as a full-blown solution which you can connect directly to a source for the home market.

A line level input is what I want in an active.

The few models that have DAC/pre all suck by offering to few or the wrong connections.

So i'd rather save on  costs of not intergrating a DAC/pre into the monitor, and put that towards a separate that does have the connections I need/want

Easy peasy.

Almost any studio monitor will do the job, just pick a decent dac/ preamp that has the facilities and the performance that you need.

The only thing that requires a little thought is how you control the volume, I prefer to avoid digital volume controls if at all possible.

 

Hi davedotco,

What do you mean by digital volume control? I am considering some active speakers and intend to control it via an iphone with airplay adjusting the volume using that rather than on the actives.

Is there potential for damage?

 

Thanks

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I am considering some active speakers and intend to control it via an iphone with airplay adjusting the volume using that rather than on the actives.

Is there potential for damage?

No there isn't.

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Thanks chebby

So what is a good reason for avoiding digital volume control?

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Fuzzy Bear wrote:

I am considering some active speakers and intend to control it via an iphone with airplay adjusting the volume using that rather than on the actives.

Is there potential for damage?

No there isn't.

Digital volume controls  lose bits so that the output is no longer bit perfect.

Chebby is right, given that the processor is 24 or even 32 bits this should be of no consequence whatsoever.

In a decent system I would avoid adjusting the level in this way because, irrational though it is, it would bother me. This mean I am a bit obsessive, but at least I know that and can deal with it.

 

That said, the system I am currently using is similar to the one you are proposing. I stream from a ipad via an AEX to my active Seiwins. I set the level on the iPad player to maximum, then set the speaker level control to normal (loud) listening level, then use the iPad volume only to attenuate to background levels.

As you can see, I can be obsessive and perhaps a little bit potty, but I can live with it.

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My M-dac has inbuilt digital volume and it sounds very good hooked up direct to my mono blocks but i run the M-dac full gain through a AS passion pasive preamp because it sounds better that way because it gets full resolution of the music.

 

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