Thanks CNo & RS,
I will look into those two alternatives, have owned Oknyo amps in the past and always like them. Not had any experience with Arcam yet however.
Surely though the M6-500i would be superior for hifi usage than either of those two options? Would this not be having the best of both worlds both in terms of SQ & power.
Not as good as the AMS kit I know, but I guess I'm just thinking that the M6 would be used all the time whether it be for AV or hifi. As it stands the AMS gear is only used for Hifi around 50% of the time which is not necessarily a bad thing but a part of me would like to get more use out of such an expensive purchase. I don't want a Sunday sports car, more a powerful performer that can handle the daily commute & still leave you with a smile on your face.
Only you can decide really, but I use the 818 as the hub for all my listening. It does the daily grind you refer to and seeing as I'm between contracts just now, that can be from as early as 6am right through to midnight and sometimes later.
Yet to feel like I'm missing out, I gave up when traditional stereo integrated failed to keep pace with change. I also don't agree that they are better amps simply by virtue of being a stereo amp per se.
Onkyo TX-NR818 / Tannoy DC4 speakers / Marantz UD-7007
AVI Lab Series CD player / various cables
How about the Dali Epicon 6?
Sorry Iceman, didn't see your reply, thanks for the suggestion.
I will look into the Dali's.
I'm trying to do a trade on the Diablos rather than go through the hassle of a private sale.
If I can find a shop with a pair of the Dalis in stock I'll check them out for sure.
Have you had any experience with them?
MF AMS-Primo / MF AMS-50P / Linn Akurate DS-1 / Kef Reference 205/2 / Krix Epicentrix / Focal Dome 2 / JL Audio Fathom F110 & F112 / Yamaha RX-Z7 / Oppo Nuforce BDP-93 / PS3 / Thor PS10 smart power station / QNAP TS219 NAS
Given I'm in a very similar situation to you, my compromised solution is being installed today.....so I will give a future update.
I am installing some Kef LS50s to the AV amp in order to cover Front L&R. The thinking behind this is:
- They are simply superb little speakers that have a Kef sound and play well above their pay grade.
- Front L&R are basically effects speakers, as the Front outputs about 70% of the info.
- The bass is delt with by a competent Sub.
- There is room to slot the LS50s in between the 205s and the rack.
- The systems are now totally separate (though share the sub).
- I prefer my music with less compromise than AV.
In your case,this might work, and with something like 205/2s, you shouldn't need a Sub for music. My concern is that if you replace the Primo/35P with something that is just very powerful (M6 500), you will initially convince yourself it was a good move, but over time you will regret selling the AMS pair.
Tread carefully my friend, and I'll report in later.
Had you thought of just trying one of those Beresford speaker switching boxes first? I know that you had previously voiced some reluctance to put another link in the chain, but sure is more convenient than installing a second set of speakers!!! Not to mention cheaper.
Not entirely sure about the fronts only being effects speakers? This is one of the primary reasons I want to go back to floorstanders. The difference in performance on the AV side of things is night & day IMO, stand mounts just don't cut it (& I have two subs taking care of the LFE). Not such an issue when watching the news, but for gaming & blurays different story.
Just a question regarding the 205s, their spec says that they roll off at 45Hz, I would have thought that a speaker of this size could have gone lower than that? For example the VA's that I was looking at are speced down to 28. I originally had my heart set on a pair of PMC PB1I which are speced to 24 but the distribution over here seems to be a bit up in the air & I doubt I can find a good change over deal.
I certainly share your reservations about getting rid of the AMS pair, I do love them & once I trade I doubt I'll be able to afford to go back there again. Will do the speakers first & live with them for a while. Then may borrow the M6-500 for a week or two and do some side by side at home.
Like I say I'm not expecting it to match the AMS kit, but the AV side of things is important to me & makes up a good enough chunk of my usage to give the matter further consideration.
I know the dealer with the second hand set of 205s is very open to trades & offered me exactly that amount for the Diablos. Who knows, maybe I'll get impulsive & have a new set of speakers by the weekend!!! >)
There is something in what you say RS. As I said earlier my original intention was to simply add a power amp to my AV reciever, probably more out of boredom and a desire to spend money more than any real requirement.
18 months later I've been through a couple of amps, ended up with two separate systems & am looking at changing speakers again.
My wife complained about 30 minutes ago "you always make everything so complicated'!!!
Oh well, you only live once
IMO. Kef are very modest with their measurements. The in room measurement is (probably) more like 35 Hz. (at -6dB). IMO The bass is very well controlled and has terrific definition and impact. At volume, they can shift air to the point where you can physically feel it in your stomach.....but get a listen as we're all different.
I went with the 205/2s as they had so much more scale than the 203/2s.......I often have to double check that the Sub isn't on, with bass heavy music.....they will sound even punchier with your set up. Nb. They have boundary compensation to help with room integration.
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I thought that would be the case, that figure seemed a little modest for a speaker of this size.
The front ported design & room compensation features do make the 205 more appealing than the VA, on paper at least. They will be positioned quite close to the wall so should be somewhat more forgiving.
Plus a trade for these is pretty much swapping like for like in dollar terms, their original RRP is basically the same as the Diablos when you factor in the cost of the stands.
I'm making the call later today, will see if I can pop in for a listen this afternoon.
As usual, I will be very interested in what you think......the Refs shouldn't be quite so much of a shock after Focal, just a little less forward.
If you call in for a listen, if possible, make sure it is an amp with similar tonal properties to your kit......the Refs should very much reflect the tonal qualities of what is upstream. If paired with forward electronics, that's the way they can sound.
They have the Akurate DS there, so the source will be the same. Don't sell MF gear though, so not sure exactly what amp will be used. When I listened to the Scalas there ealier in the year they used a Gryphon Diablo integrated.
There is an ex-demo pair of Dali Helicon 400 MK2 in stock as well, so I might ask them to line both up. Don't think that they have the Epicons however, but after Iceman's suggestion I've done a bit of reading, they look very nice.
Have you heard them yourself?
Sorry, I'm afraid not.
check out my signature & see if you notice anything!
So, do tell how they won you over... share the joy!
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What finish? What do you like about them? Are they connected up? How do they sound in your room? What did you demo them with? Do they have enough bass for 2 channel withiut a sub? Do you agree with my assessment?
Did they come with all the accessories ie. Lovely wooden box housing things like: Spikes, Metal Feet, Spirit Level, Spanner etc
Make sure you have the "boundary compensation bungs in the right place.
Looks like it's not a backwards step after all, Neuphonix.
You'll get no argument on that from me.
A case of "reculer pour mieux sauter"? (Sorry, don't often get a chance to wheel that one out.)
What classical music are you listening to?
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