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Accuphase, Luxman, Yamaha... beauties... no British manufacturer makes such a nice looking products... and they all comes with tone controls so one can simply adjust levels to his taste without changing speakers or amps.. now imagine to buy a camera that comes only with shutter release and no colour, sharpness, contrast etc adjustments.. would you change cameras for different pictures styles?

bravo Yamaha!

.. and if that not true about tone controls, why people stuck with no controls stops listening some kind of music they like because their equipment sounds only good with acoustic and vocals and sounds rubbish with rock and electronic?

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I was doing a bit of digging re: Yamaha AS2000, and to my surprise stumbled upon this new product for spring 2013 ... (also mentioned in you last post) .... looks like a Luxman ...

 

 

Hi tino

Yamaha's new A-S3000 amplifier looks great Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

It certainly does Rick ... would you have any information on pricing ... I imagine it's north of the (increased) £1500 the AS2000 is now going for.

Hi tino

I am sorry to say that i don't have any information on pricing.

All the best

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 now imagine to buy a camera that comes only with shutter release and no colour, sharpness, contrast etc adjustments.. would you change cameras for different pictures styles?

 

Well if you shoot in Raw then you have no camera adjustments, who wants it on the camera, you just do it all later after you download the images, same with a film camera. Or do you use jpg and have less quality like when using tone controls.

 

As for looks depends on your taste, to me most of those look very dated and UK companies like Arcam and Creek look fine and some of them have optional tone controls as well.

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If the price is correct which I am not sure about then it is quite a jump over the A-S2000. It just caught me by surprise that it would be more or less competing against an Accuphase E-260. Sticking to the meters theme, that is close to the price of the Onkyo M5000/3000 Power/Pre. I just did not expect it to be so expensive at first sight. Perhaps once the reviews roll in, the value picture will be clearer.

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I'm aware of raw.. but from what you saying having no tone controls means less quality Dance 4 You can't post produce sound once it reached the speakers like you can do it in picture editing software.

that's why tone controls are helpfull and well placed by some manufacturers.

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I'm aware of raw.. but from what you saying having no tone controls means less quality Dance 4 You can't post produce sound once it reached the speakers like you can do it in picture editing software.

that's why tone controls are helpfull and well placed by some manufacturers.

 

No putting the sound through tone controls degrades the quality that why so many of the more expensive amps do not have them.

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Rotel has the 120W/ch RA-1570 released this year.

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... seems McIntosh is cheap in that case.. I'll get two.. :clap: I love

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BigH wrote:

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I'm aware of raw.. but from what you saying having no tone controls means less quality Dance 4 You can't post produce sound once it reached the speakers like you can do it in picture editing software.

that's why tone controls are helpfull and well placed by some manufacturers.

 

No putting the sound through tone controls degrades the quality that why so many of the more expensive amps do not have them.

How?

Ever been to a sound check where the sound engineer spends several hours eq'ing (posh tone control) the sound to suit the venue because every venue is different? Just as our rooms at home our different and recordings are not all mastered the same.

Please read here - http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?1857-Tone-balance-mono-stereo-and-filter-controls-sadly-missed&highlight=tone+control - for some sensible information.

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spot on pauln !

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No putting the sound through tone controls degrades the quality that why so many of the more expensive amps do not have them.

Yep. Gives them less flexibility, preserves (some) manufacturer's bogus claims to high-end status ("look Ma, no tone controls, I must be good") and means they can charge more for using less components.

On the flip side, there have been some really sucky tone controls and lots of people who abuse them whether they are sucky or not.  Classically the ill-named and, usually, ill-engineered 'loudness' function is the most abused one because it is only supposed to be applied at very low volumes and should be progressive so that it becomes less pronounced (and finally cuts out) as the volume is turned up.

I am hoping that intelligent use of DSP modes will become more prevalent amongst more new kit. (With customisable options for differently furnished rooms and different kinds of speakers maybe.)

Even great Michelin starred restaurants allow their customers the option to use salt to adjust the seasoning to their taste.  Fortnums, Claridges and the Savoy provide sugar with their afternoon teas.

How would you like a television from a company who factory calibrate all their screens to a 'reference' standard and provide no user adjustments at all?

 

 

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As with all things hifi, one shouldn't generalize. There are crudely implemented controls and there's well implemented ones, like those on Accuphase and Luxman.

There are also systems that may need them more than others....one thing's for sure, they don't turn bad recordings into good ones.

 

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So they do make them like they used to. A drop dead gorgeous piece of kit IMO. Would love to hear one...

I wonder how well it would drive a pair of ATC SCM 19s?

Hi 12Designs

The A-S3000 is indeed gorgeous  Smile

Btw, as the A-S2000 already does a perfectly good job of driving SCM19 monitors then the A-S3000 should be even better at energising SCM19 monitors.

All the best

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Thanks Rick

I will add this to my short list of amplifiers to listen to when I upgrade along with the Perreaux Audiant 80i and ATC SIA 2-150

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I will add this to my short list of amplifiers to listen to when I upgrade along with the Perreaux Audiant 80i and ATC SIA 2-150

Haven't ATC discontinued the SIA 2-150 ?

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