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upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

Hi,

I have a (one year old) pair of beats mixr , they are good , really good but not the best in their category and that's the reason I would like to upgrade to a new pair.

My music is mainly pop r&b and rock though I have a bit from everything. (Deep powerfull bass is important)

I would like my headphones to have the following features:

- Good look - really good look!

-Confortable

-Detailed sound

-Good bass - deep and powerfull

- Natural sound

-No sound leakage (no open back design)

The three best options I found are 

*B&W p5

* sennheiser momentum

*kef m500

*Bose qc3 (not my favorite option)

I know I have a lot of demands and expectations but you are the experts and I trust you to help me find the best pair (I do not! trust apple's sellers (or maybe bose's sellers)).

Suggesting other headphones will be much apperciated as well Smile

 

Thanks a lot!

 

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Hi Gil,

I don't think that the B&W P5 is that bass heavy and I don't know much about the Kef. I also feel the need to point out that powerful bass and natural sound is kind of contradictory in headphones, at least that's the way I see it for the price point you seem to be looking at and being closed won't help either. That said here are a couple more to look at that might suit your needs, but you really need to try them at this point after you have the recommendations from us...

Denon AH-D600 - this would be my choice for bass so far

V-Moda M-100 - not my favourite overall, but it certainly has deep poweful bass and looks... and design..... and build (comfort is ok)

Sennheiser Amperior - I think I like this more than the Momentum, it's bass is a bit overly powerful in an odd way, but well worth considering

 

What's your price limit btw?

 

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The Beyerdynamic COP would be my top recommendation, followed by some of those items Quadpatch mentioned. It is distinctly bass-oriented, but the bass does not mask or overwrite the midrange, and the treble is as smooth as silk. In fact, I think the COP sounds like an M100 that's been modified to be more of a musical headphone than a head-banger.

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RE: upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

First of all thanks for your answers Smile

As for the bass thing I ment to say that the bass should be natural but should sound nice. I mean there are some headphones in the market which emphasize the bass over other things (which I dont like) and there are some which doesnt have a good bass at all. I am searching for a pair that will not emphasize the bass but if there is a powerfull bass in the song it will do it well.

As for the price I do not really have a limitation ... maybe something around 500 euros but if the headphones really worths it I will pay more..

Anyway thank you very much I will try to check all the mentioned above headphones!

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gilbenmoshe wrote:
First of all thanks for your answers Smile As for the bass thing I ment to say that the bass should be natural but should sound nice. I mean there are some headphones in the market which emphasize the bass over other things (which I dont like) and there are some which doesnt have a good bass at all. I am searching for a pair that will not emphasize the bass but if there is a powerfull bass in the song it will do it well. As for the price I do not really have a limitation ... maybe something around 500 euros but if the headphones really worths it I will pay more.. Anyway thank you very much I will try to check all the mentioned above headphones!

Here is something important to remember: If you listen and do nothing else, just sit still in a quiet place and listen, the bass of a B&O will be perfect. But if you do anything else, whether it is being outdoors, on public transport, reading, cruising the Internet, gaming - anything that commands even the minimum attention away from the music listening, then the bass of the COP becomes more ideal. This effect is similar to the Fletcher-Munson "loudness" effect, where the impact of the bass is the first thing to go, to be diminished in proportion to the midrange, if the volume level drops, or in my example, it drops effectively in proportion to the loss of attention.

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Once again thanks for answering Smile

Did you mean B&W ?

If not which pair of B&O would you recommend?

 

Actually I am planning to use them mainly on the go but most of the time not in a noisy places..

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gilbenmoshe wrote:
Once again thanks for answering Smile Did you mean B&W ?  If not which pair of B&O would you recommend?  Actually I am planning to use them mainly on the go but most of the time not in a noisy places..

The B&W P5 is well known as a warm-neutral headphone that's shy on both ends - lower bass and upper treble. The B&O H6 sounds like a P5 that has had the lower bass and upper treble restored.

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RE: upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

When you want bass definitely don't forget HD25 II or amperior (the one I have)

The HD 25 II is a rock god and the amperior is the successor of this model but some don't think it's justified to pay extra.

I did it because I could get it cheaper at my job.

The bass is something that imho no other supra-aural in that price class comes close to without sacrificing mids and highs.

I love my amperior for rock, electronics, acoustical (like Rodrigo y Gabriela) and the occasional R&B song that shows its might in the lows.

I wouldn't recommend it for classical or jazz, that why the momentum exists. Smile

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Well I will definitely take both into consideration (though they are not as "stylish" and well designed as the other pairs suggested).

About B&O .. I really like the design and I read they are really comfortable but I am worried about the sound..

B&O has a legacy of an avarage (sometimes poor) sound covered by a fancy design .. Is it the case with the B&O h6 ?

How would they sound compared to the momentum and b&w p5 ? (I havent heard the other pairs suggested yet). I mean in terms like balance soundstage details and bass quality ?

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gilbenmoshe wrote:
Well I will definitely take both into consideration (though they are not as "stylish" and well designed as the other pairs suggested). About B&O .. I really like the design and I read they are really comfortable but I am worried about the sound. B&O has a legacy of an avarage (sometimes poor) sound covered by a fancy design .. Is it the case with the B&O h6 ? How would they sound compared to the momentum and b&w p5 ? (I havent heard the other pairs suggested yet). I mean in terms like balance soundstage details and bass quality ?

The H6 sounds like a much better P5, with greater clarity, firmer and tighter bass, etc. The Momentum has a fatter upper bass, but the lower bass isn't as good as the H6. While the H6 treble is nearly flat and non-irritating, the Momentum is emphasized in the lower treble and badly recessed in the upper treble. So the Momentum has that fat warm low end and lively but less detailed high end, much like the P5 but moreso. I've had the P5 for a couple years. I used it for a few weeks, then my wife adopted it for several months when she abandoned it for the ATH ESW9a. I had the Momentum for several months along with the Amperior, and gave both of those away. I have a Momentum Junior on the way from the U.K. right now, and I have no idea how it will sound. BTW, if you took the Momentum and made that fat upper bass even stronger and very solid, and raised the upper treble, that would be the Amperior.

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RE: upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

Ok now everything is clear 

Thanks a lot !

My favorite pair for now is the H6 but I will still have to listen to all of the suggested pairs to decide Smile

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dalethorn wrote:

The H6 sounds like a much better P5, with greater clarity, firmer and tighter bass, etc. The Momentum has a fatter upper bass, but the lower bass isn't as good as the H6. While the H6 treble is nearly flat and non-irritating, the Momentum is emphasized in the lower treble and badly recessed in the upper treble. So the Momentum has that fat warm low end and lively but less detailed high end, much like the P5 but moreso. I've had the P5 for a couple years. I used it for a few weeks, then my wife adopted it for several months when she abandoned it for the ATH ESW9a. I had the Momentum for several months along with the Amperior, and gave both of those away. I have a Momentum Junior on the way from the U.K. right now, and I have no idea how it will sound. BTW, if you took the Momentum and made that fat upper bass even stronger and very solid, and raised the upper treble, that would be the Amperior.

That's consistent with what I've noticed as well. I like the Amperior for exactly the reasons you say and because I can EQ the bass down if I feel the need to, but generally I use them when I want mental bass from a portable headphone anyway. The Ameriors felt a bit more reliably interesting than the Momentum because of what you said about the treble (uneven-ness).

Despite my love (and often neeed) for a strong bass presentation the B&O H6 imediate stood out to me in the shop as sounding balanced and exciting, as it did to my wife (who is quite picky with her headphones). So far I have only spent time with the H6 in a shop, but it's already really impressed me. The Size, weight and general comfort seem great also.

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Despite my love (and often neeed) for a strong bass presentation the B&O H6 imediate stood out to me in the shop as sounding balanced and exciting, as it did to my wife (who is quite picky with her headphones). So far I have only spent time with the H6 in a shop, but it's already really impressed me. The Size, weight and general comfort seem great also.

Someone at headfonia suggested the Mahler 5th to me, so I obtained the Tilson-Thomas SFS version and played that today on the H6. There were only a couple places in the entire symphony where I had a sensation of weight to any instruments, but overall the sense of low end was there - not the least bit thin by any means. On any of my references for bass - quite a few of those - the H6 is solid.

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Postscript to the preceding: I nearly always use the iPhone as my source, by itself or to an amp or DAC/amp. After listening to the Mahler 5th a couple of times with the DAC/amp, from computer DAC and Apple-compatible DAC, I got the feeling this recording was not bringing out the best of the B&O H6 as far as filling out the low end is concerned. So I switched to the Decware Zen Head - problem solved. I don't understand why I nearly always get an impression of thin bass (or thinner than otherwise) with my computer DACs. Maybe they just don't have enough power for slightly inefficient headphones. And the H6 is slightly inefficient.

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RE: upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

From what you have described up above, I would look at Vmoda M100s.

I recently owned a pair and for chart stuff (pop, rock, dance, hip hop, rnb) they are soooo much fun and suit your needs perfectly.

They were on sale recently in amazon.fr (france) for a silly cheap price (£180 roughly).

They also look really cool with a metal modern look.

My music tastes go well beyond chart stuff though and has a lot of vocal, classical, etc hence me returning them.

I do miss how they sound for my Billboard and UK Chart stuff though :doh:

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RE: upgrading my beats mixr - choosing between 3 pairs

Hi all! At this point i should probably flag up we've got a on/over ear headphone test coming up in the Nov issue of the magazine. Prices start at £200/220 and include the KEFs, B&Ws, Sennheisers and a couple fo brand new models too!

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