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Enjoying music from a dream hi-fi system in a well treated room.
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If you're ever inclined to try the Sennheiser IE800 IEM, you might get a big surprise. It's very different in frequency balance from the HD800. Stronger treble and much stronger bass. The bass is unique in my experience, since it's not bloated or boomy or any of that, yet the lower bass is so strong that some tracks I have with deep bass resonances (From Chesky/HDTracks: Bach Jesu Joy of ...., Choir of the Church of Blessed Sacrament) will probably overload most small music players.
SoundMagic HP200, Final Audio FI-BA-SS, V-Moda M100, Sennheiser IE800, Beyer DT770LE, FiiO E07K/MicroStreamer/Vamp Verza DAC/amps, FiiO E12/Zen Head amps.
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I have never tried inear headphones as I don't think they can produce a true sound staging as that of the over the ear phones. What I like is a neutral headphone which can reproduce exactly what has been recorded, i.e. without any coloration or boost in the LF and HF. So far I can only find HD800 to be able to do this. I may try Sennheiser IE800 IEM and see if I like the SQ.
Used on a desktop system the sound is much better than on an iPod etc., where the bass is less well controlled. But the peculiar thing with the IE800 compared to headphones I've used is the realism. The HD800 sounded big, but still like a headphone. With the IE800, I hear voices and instruments suspended in front of me that sound like they're really there. But .... the size of the image seems smaller than what it should be. I don't know if I'll ever understand what's going on - a real mixture of small stage but amazing realism. Someone else probably understands this already, but I haven't read it yet.
"I was wondering if there are many people interested in the HD650 at the moment? It's been out for a while now and although lots of good things have been said about it I wonder if some assume that it's been bettered by newer and cheaper things. Part of me had assumed that could be the case."
Hi guys, anyone got any thoughts on this?
I'm currently looking at either the HD 650 or the HiFiMan HE-400. Similar price point (at least if you ignore the import costs on the HE-400's)
I would like to listen to both in the same place but that would mean a long trip so will probably buy blind in the end. The reviews I've read seem to indicate that both are exceptional - I really don't see that the Senns will have been "bettered" too much in the few years that they have been around? Surely dynamic headphone technology is quite mature and any improvements would be marginal unless some revolutionary process was discovered? Having said that, HiFiMan do seem to have managed to produce these very good planar magnetic phones at a good price point, maybe there is more scope for improvement/cost cutting in this newer technology?
The 650's seem to be heavily discounted on Amazon UK at the moment making them more than £100 cheaper than the HE-400's but that saving would be more than negated by the cost of an amp, which it seems is essential for them but not so much for the HE-400's. Assuming that the ones Amazon sell are genuine of course.
Anyone here heard both - any thoughts?
I should be getting the HE-400s pretty soon and will have them next to the HD650s to play with. I don't thinnk the HD650 is that bad un-amplifier, straight out of a phone isn't bad. I was under the impression that amplification was everything to the HD650 before I tried them, but they are quite friendly actually. Of course they get better with a good amp - everything does. My assumption of the HE-400s is they will be about the same. Hopefully I will tell you what I found soon. I just need to finish the review for the Modi & Magni first.
Addressing the previous point about the HD650, part of me had assumed that the HD650 could have been bettered and for less money, since it and indeed the HD600 (while I prefer) had come out. I had tried the HD650 before, but never at home and I thought they were OK - not amazing. It wasn't until I lived with them that they really wowed me. I don't think it was mostly down to lack of amplification, rather that your own music, in your own home, when you are relaxed makes a big difference.
PC>JRiver> DAC/amps: Fiio, Audinst, Yulong, Arcam, Fostex, Audiolab, Schiit, Oppo, Ifi ●
Headphones: D7000, Q701, M80, M100, DT770, DT880, HP100, HP200, Mad Dog, HD650 ●
It’s very subjective. Some people don't like the hd-650, some do. i don't think you can rely on somebody's else opinion when buy headphones. It’s very sensitive personal area and unless you try them yourself it's absolutely pointless to ask 3d parties opinion. For me the hd-650 are the best for my needs and personal listening preferences. My friend prefers AKGs…… he drives French car – I will never buy French car (sorry – no offence to my French friends)!
Hi again, should have been a bit clearer. I was realy asking if they had been "bettered by newer and cheaper things" as quadpatch was asking.
My observation is there isn't much in the way of open-back headphones being released in the lower price tiers, since most everything below the 650's price level is geared toward portable use, or to home use in places where others would be disturbed by the leakage. I think the Soundmagic HP200 is a real anomaly, being open-back and only around £200. And it doesn't sound like a 650. But if there were a request for a particular type of sound that's not just a duplication of the 650 sound, that would be interesting.
Thanks for that dale, my major concern is the 650's have been on the go for some time as already been stated and it would just be my luck that a better model is either on the horizon or there IS a headphone/s on par with the 650's at roughly the same price-range. Any body got anymore suggestions.
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