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AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo
AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo
15 replies [ Last post] Wed, Jun 6 2012, 6:22PM jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25

Hi,

I have recently bought a pair of AKG K550's to go with my Graham Slee Novo.

It sounds mostly good although the headphones are not run in yet having only 4 hours of use. But there is a distinct lack of bass depth and some leaness to the sound in genral which is realy spoiling it for me.

I read somewhere that the Novo could sound lean if used into low impedances. Weather or not this plays a part I do not know, maybe the Novo just isn't a good match!

Perhaps you good what hifi reviewers could suggest a better amp or headphone choice  Wink

So before I ran out and bought a new headphone amp or backed the headphones them selves I though I would seek advice from you good people.

The rest of my system is a Cyrus DACX+ & power supply running from my pc from the asus xonar essence st sound card via a wireworld starlight 6 rca digital inter connect.

Any help or comments much appreciated

James.

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Wed, Jun 6 2012, 9:44PM

#1 quadpatch quadpatch's picture Offline Joined: 28/03/2011 Posts: 282 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

I gave the K550s a go and found the exactly the same thing. The bass is non existant on everything I plug it in to, even the Fiio E17 on +10 bass is not enough, I am very disappointed! Even less tollerable than the K/Q701 which is ridiculous! I have tried it on a bunch of the DACs (listed below) and all the same. I have recently tried the Audio Technica ATH-M50 and I think that has most of what I like about the K550 but also has amazing bass! Also circumaural and better isolation all for less money too. The Q701 was a keeper for me despite the lack of bass but K550 is most definitely not! Shame as they look so pretty!

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 12:02AM

#2 Gedfan Gedfan's picture Offline Joined: 08/05/2012 Posts: 26 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

They are inherently lean on bass. Try Audio Technica ATH-50S if you want some excellent bass.

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 9:50AM

#3 shafesk shafesk's picture Offline Joined: 18/09/2010 Posts: 405 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

I've heard the slee and voyager with my k702s and they sound brilliant and also add a little bass to the headphones. However, I reckon the k550s being more efficient causes an impedance mismatch which causes the bass to disappear. My x-cans when connected to a lot of relatively efficient headphones sound very bloated. I guess some headphone amps are meant to be driven by power hungry headphones. I second the Audio Technica suggestion if you want more bass, AKG isn't a company known for its bombastically bassy headphones....even their in ears lack bass

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 4:01PM

#4 idc idc's picture Offline Joined: 02/01/2008 Posts: 7613 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

An interesting review and comments  beauty, eh

 

Can this thread be moved to the headphone section of the forum? I suspect it will come in useful as a reference.

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 6:29PM

#5 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

Thanks very much everbody for all your input.

It's looking like it's the AKG K550's that's the source of my problem, that's what you get for not trying before you buy I guess.

Do you think I will get decent bass from the Slee with the Audio Technica ATH-M50 and are there any other suggestions for headphones and there charectoristics?

I was also considering buying a Musical Fidelity Headphone Amp the M1-HPA and may still.

Has anyone compared this with the Slee Novo? Is it worth the extra outlay?

Thanks again

James

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 7:21PM

#6 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

PS would the psu1 be a worth upgrade to the novo in regards dynamics and bass weight

cheers

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 8:30PM

#7 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

pps  Smile

Will the the Audio Technica ATH-M50 being studio monitors still be hifi quality probably a silly question after the above comments!

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 9:46PM

#8 Gedfan Gedfan's picture Offline Joined: 08/05/2012 Posts: 26 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

James, absolutely. They are, in my opinion, the best value I've heard.  The cheapest I found is Pro Audio Systems where I bought mine from. Top service. No affiliation by the way. 

I do like bass, not overbearing but tight and controlled. I've put 30+ hours on these babies now and am very happy with them. I've got AKG K450s, Sennheiser HD202s, had Grado SR125s and Senn 600s in the past and these top them all, in my humble opinion.  Cool I'd be very interested to know what more expensive Audio Technica ones are like in anyone has any experience?

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 9:52PM

#9 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

I'm sold lol.

I have just sold my grado 125i's as they sounded bass lite to me also but the sound was good.

When I read the whathifi review and saw the size of the akg's cups I thought I would be on a winner but Alsa!!!

So i'll go for these I think as the price is good yes!

And before I go mad and buy a set of Audio Technica ATH WX1000x's I've been eyeing up :/Thanks again for your time and advice......

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 9:55PM

#10 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

ps

Is there any difference between the ATH-M50 and the ATH-M50s besides the colour do you know

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Thu, Jun 7 2012, 10:44PM

#11 quadpatch quadpatch's picture Offline Joined: 28/03/2011 Posts: 282 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

I would be careful about the W1000/X. Although I loved the M50 I thought the W5000 was absolutely boring as hell. I don't hate all reference headphones either since I absolutely loved the Sennheiser HD800. I think the moral of the story is try before you buy if you can. I am taking my K550's back this weekend - I also bought without testing thoroughly enough.

Oh and as far as I know there isn't much difference between the M50 and M50s, possibly just the cable?

I think the M50 is a solid choice, what is it.. £130? you certainly can't go wrong for that. I will be hunting a pair down as soon as possible and will save myself £50. I am assuming that like me you want something that is large so it doesn't touch your ears and is comfortable for long periods. If not then I highly recommend the VModa M80! I have those and will certainly never sell them but I need something more comfy for the office.

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Sun, Jun 10 2012, 12:24PM

#12 Gedfan Gedfan's picture Offline Joined: 08/05/2012 Posts: 26 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

50S has the straight cable - AFAIK that is the only difference. I actually quite like the coiled cable as it suits my listening position (not all of it is coiled).  Cool

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Fri, Jun 8 2012, 10:12PM

#13 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

Thanks again for all the comments.

I've bought the 

Audio Technica ATH-M50s

with the straight cable.

Looking forward to receiving them now they should come tomorrow.

Backing the akg's.

I have to say for me, WHAT A LET DOWN!!!!!

Let you know what I think when they turn up,

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Fri, Jun 8 2012, 11:40PM

#14 quadpatch quadpatch's picture Offline Joined: 28/03/2011 Posts: 282 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

Awesome! I think you will be happy but am eager to hear what you think so please do write back. I am going for the same thing as soon as I can but I think I may have to eBay my K550s as the shop probably will not take them back.

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Sat, Jun 30 2012, 5:26PM

#15 jamesym jamesym's picture Online Joined: 26/02/2009 Posts: 25 RE: AKG K550 Graham Slee Novo

Ok,

 I've had the Audio-Technica ATH-M50s for 3 weeks now.

But it's been a busy month so I’ve put only 15 hours on them so far but only 5 hours of listening.

Out of the box they sounded a little bland, bass was much better than the AKG K550's though but also unexciting.

With 15 hours on them so far though they have started settled down.

The Bass has deepened and become much more tuneful and controlled.

The midrange has sweetened and most of the brashness/hardness has gone and is also much more articulate I’m hearing things in the upper mids and bottom trebles amazingly that were not there with the AKG’s!

The AKG’s are very clear, and clean though but I think for that part it’s going to be more sitting back and looking at the overall balance which I feel when run in the Audio T’s for me will have the best of that department.

The AKG’s main fault for me was the lack in the mid and upper bass region and even low Bass was lacking depth and extension almost like it was curtailed just before it got going if that makes any sense.

I’m still not certain if they will make the best of my Slee Novo though!

Once they’ve run in fully (I'm thinking another 20 to 30 hours to be sure I’ll be able to add more thoughts.

I must confess though I want more already oh will I ever be satisfied!!!

Wanting closed backs I'm thinking now about the Denon ADH7000's and the Musical Fidelity H1 MPA Headphone Amplifier.

Does anyone have experience of these?

Would they make a good combination?

Or would my slee be perfectly adequate?

I must add that I am very impressed with the little Novo and I'm wondering is the Graham Slee PSU 1 a worthwhile upgrade for it.

Any thoughts always much appreciated

James