Why different bit rates after ripping

i've noticed that also and came to the conclusion simpler music doesn't need or get the full bitrate.  just a guess though...

Brisk:

Im currently in the process of ripping my entire CD collection into FLAC and have noticed that the bit rate is smaller after ripping then on the cd. As long as this isn't going to affect the sound I don't mind but wondered if anyone knows why?

Although FLAC is 'lossless' it encodes at max about 900k

When I look at word length and sampling rate of my Apple Lossless files they are 16 bit and 44.1 khz.

'Bit rate' (on a randomly selected Roy Orbison track) is 909 kbps. (iTunes)

What should it be?

Edit: just randomly selected another track (Blondie) and it is 983 kbps

chebby:

When I look at word length and sampling rate of my Apple Lossless files they are 16 bit and 44.1 khz.

'Bit rate' (on a randomly selected Roy Orbison track) is 909 kbps. (iTunes)

What should it be?

Edit: just randomly selected another track (Blondie) and it is 983 kbps

It averages them out depending on how much information is actually on the track....

JohnDuncan:

chebby:

When I look at word length and sampling rate of my Apple Lossless files they are 16 bit and 44.1 khz. 'Bit rate' (on a randomly selected Roy Orbison track) is 909 kbps. (iTunes) What should it be? Edit: just randomly selected another track (Blondie) and it is 983 kbps

It averages them out depending on how much information is actually on the track....

John, on forums on another website some think that iTunes is not good enough even as an Apple Lossless encoder since they believe it does not perform error-checking or re-sampling on poor discs like EAC + AccurateRip, what are your views on this?

manicm:

JohnDuncan:

chebby:

When I look at word length and sampling rate of my Apple Lossless files they are 16 bit and 44.1 khz. 'Bit rate' (on a randomly selected Roy Orbison track) is 909 kbps. (iTunes) What should it be? Edit: just randomly selected another track (Blondie) and it is 983 kbps

It averages them out depending on how much information is actually on the track....

John, on forums on another website some think that iTunes is not good enough even as an Apple Lossless encoder since they believe it does not perform error-checking or re-sampling on poor discs like EAC + AccurateRip, what are your views on this?

It does perform error checking if you switch it on in Preferences, but you're right - there's no way of checking that you have a bit-perfect copy like with EAC. Now I rip discs as soon as I get them so I don't really consider this an issue, but since I have a Mac and neither EAC nor dbPoweramp work on it, it's the best I can get, short of running Windows under Boot Camp. And seeing as it sounds better than my CD player, I'll take that.

Could always rip on a windows pc using EAC and then convert to apple lossless.

I'm assuming here that there is a tool available to do the conversion.

The one issue here, of course, is what to do when EAC tells you it cannot perform a bit perfect copy. I had this recently with a new, unplayed CD. I tried cleaning it, etc, but couldn't get the last 3 tracks to rip perfectly. In the end, I used dbpoweramp to rip these tracks imperfectly.

PJPro:

Could always rip on a windows pc using EAC and then convert to apple lossless.

I'm assuming here that there is a tool available to do the conversion.

The one issue here, of course, is what to do when EAC tells you it cannot perform a bit perfect copy. I had this recently with a new, unplayed CD. I tried cleaning it, etc, but couldn't get the last 3 tracks to rip perfectly. In the end, I used dbpoweramp to rip these tracks imperfectly.

Yeah, Max will convert between the two, I think, but life's too short

JohnDuncan:

PJPro:

Could always rip on a windows pc using EAC and then convert to apple lossless.

I'm assuming here that there is a tool available to do the conversion.

The one issue here, of course, is what to do when EAC tells you it cannot perform a bit perfect copy. I had this recently with a new, unplayed CD. I tried cleaning it, etc, but couldn't get the last 3 tracks to rip perfectly. In the end, I used dbpoweramp to rip these tracks imperfectly.

Yeah, Max will convert between the two, I think, but life's too short

Will convert between the 2 what...?

al7478:

JohnDuncan:

PJPro:

Could always rip on a windows pc using EAC and then convert to apple lossless.

I'm assuming here that there is a tool available to do the conversion.

The one issue here, of course, is what to do when EAC tells you it cannot perform a bit perfect copy. I had this recently with a new, unplayed CD. I tried cleaning it, etc, but couldn't get the last 3 tracks to rip perfectly. In the end, I used dbpoweramp to rip these tracks imperfectly.

Yeah, Max will convert between the two, I think, but life's too short

Will convert between the 2 what...?

Apple lossless and Flac.

It seems to be varying by track, some I get 1195 and others only 580, I guess it depends on the content of the tracks. Most CD's show up as 1411kbps. But your right, life is too short.

A 16/44 WAV will be 1411

16/44 Apple Lossless and FLAC will be anything upto that.

Very simple music could be as low as 400kbps whereas noisy rock might be nearer 1400kbps.

It's lossless, and iTunes is lovely, so don't worry.

JohnDuncan:

al7478:

JohnDuncan:

PJPro:

Could always rip on a windows pc using EAC and then convert to apple lossless.

I'm assuming here that there is a tool available to do the conversion.

The one issue here, of course, is what to do when EAC tells you it cannot perform a bit perfect copy. I had this recently with a new, unplayed CD. I tried cleaning it, etc, but couldn't get the last 3 tracks to rip perfectly. In the end, I used dbpoweramp to rip these tracks imperfectly.

Yeah, Max will convert between the two, I think, but life's too short

Will convert between the 2 what...?

Apple lossless and Flac.

AHA! Great point well made sir!