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Streaming...there's no going back

I could never have imagined typing this a year ago. But after ripping all my CDs to my computer as lossless ALACs I am a 100% 'committed streamer'. I just can't imagine going back to messing with CDs in and out of cases and faffing with a player. Not routinely anyway.

I did worry that I would somehow lose interest in listening to albums 'correctly' in their entirety, because album-hopping is so much easier with all your eggs in one basket. But it hasn't really happened. Truth be told, I've found myself listening to a host of tracks and albums that I rarely got a chance to listen to on CD because they don't interest SWMBO, and before ripping them and sharing them on my home network I had no convenient way of listening to them privately away from the living room.

My advice to ‘streaming agnostics’ as opposed to ‘streaming atheists’ (who will never be convinced) is this: just do it. Oh and don't sell your CD player. Well not straight away. Don't even disconnect it. When you first start ripping, your CD player is your security-blanket: a tangible reassurance that should you change your mind, you can stop this nonsense at a moment's notice and immediately go back to listening to CDs 'properly'. But the thing is, you’ll find you won't go back. Or if you do, it'll become gradually less often.

Then one day, after you've ripped all your CDs (or a good proportion of them), and you've become used to having your music available any time, any place, anywhere, all accessible via an app on your iDevice or Android, you'll look at your CD player and think 'good God, when did I last use that?!' And instead of it being a security-blanket, you'll suddenly see it as an anachronism from a time when your music was chained and shackled. A time when choosing an album meant squinting at rows and rows of end-on plastic cases, extracting the CD from the fierce grip of the case's inner tray without snapping it in two (or conversely, picking it up off the floor because the lugs on the tray have broken) and then pratting-about with a CD player and its primative remote which usually don't even tell you the album title or track names.

Nope. There really is no going back.

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MajorFubar wrote:
IOh and don't sell your CD player. Well not straight away.
Or replace it with a BDP which is more versatile/useful.
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RE: HDD streaming...there's no going back

Couldn't agree more, Major – but, speaking of eggs in a singular basket, do make sure you have at least one back-up of your rippage, even if you still have all the CDs (as of course you should have, even after ripping them).

After all, should your main storage fail, copying everything back over from another drive is going to be much quicker than re-ripping hundreds of CDs. Not that the two days it's just taken to copy getting on for 4TB of content from my main music server to a newly reformatted back-up server seemed blisteringly fast, but you know what I mean...

Better  :cheer: than :boohoo: , an' all that.

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I could never have imagined typing this a year ago. But after ripping all my CDs to my computer as lossless ALACs I am a 100% 'committed streamer'. I just can't imagine going back to messing with CDs in and out of cases and faffing with a player. Not routinely anyway. I did worry that I would somehow lose interest in listening to albums 'properly' in their entirety, because album-hopping is so much easier with all your eggs in one basket. But it hasn't really happened. Truth be told, I've found myself listening to a host of tracks and albums that I rarely got a chance to listen to on CD because they don't interest SWMBO, and before ripping them and sharing them on my home network I had no convenient way of listening to them privately away from the living room. My message to ‘streaming agnostics’ as opposed to ‘streaming atheists’ (who will never be convinced) is this: just do it..

Apart from the ALAC part, I'm with you 99.9% - I'm more than happy with iTunes offerings of 256 AAC, partly due to my OAP status, but mainly due to some of the music (music?? according the wife: "cra*"), that we play wouldnt sound any better at 10mbps on a £1Xgoogol system... 

As I get older, I too can't be asked to keep swapping CD's as some days we're playing music from lunchtime 'til bedtime....

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No lecture from me Fred lossless vs AAC if it sounds good to you then it is!

Andrew Everard wrote:

Couldn't agree more, Major – but, speaking of eggs in a singular basket, do make sure you have at least one back-up of your rippage, even if you still have all the CDs (as of course you should have, even after ripping them).

After all, should your main storage fail, copying everything back over from another drive is going to be much quicker than re-ripping hundreds of CDs.

Never a truer word spoken. I have a duplicate copy on a USB drive and mp3 versions.

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No lecture from me Fred lossless vs AAC if it sounds good to you then it is!
Andrew Everard wrote:

Couldn't agree more, Major – but, speaking of eggs in a singular basket, do make sure you have at least one back-up of your rippage, even if you still have all the CDs (as of course you should have, even after ripping them).

After all, should your main storage fail, copying everything back over from another drive is going to be much quicker than re-ripping hundreds of CDs.

Never a truer word spoken. I have a duplicate copy on a USB drive and mp3 versions.

I fully concur guys..

Re-ripping is a REAL pain in the posterior, so USB HDD backup is essential. I also use iTunes match, which came in very useful when I got cheesed off with iTunes 11 and reverted back to 10.7 as I missed several of the now defunct but useful features, like DJ and Album Art view etc..

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Fred_Barker wrote:

I fully concur guys..

Re-ripping is a REAL pain in the posterior, so USB HDD backup is essential. I also use iTunes match, which came in very useful when I got cheesed off with iTunes 11 and reverted back to 10.7 as I missed several of the now defunct but useful features, like DJ and Album Art view etc..

Hi Fred

can I ask how you reverted back to the previous version? Sounds like a "jolly good idea" to me - grrr!

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RE: Streaming...there's no going back

excellent post, the "manifesto of streaming" I would call it!

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excellent post, the "manifesto of streaming" I would call it!

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Fred_Barker wrote:

I fully concur guys..

Re-ripping is a REAL pain in the posterior, so USB HDD backup is essential. I also use iTunes match, which came in very useful when I got cheesed off with iTunes 11 and reverted back to 10.7 as I missed several of the now defunct but useful features, like DJ and Album Art view etc..

Hi Fred

can I ask how you reverted back to the previous version? Sounds like a "jolly good idea" to me - grrr!

Hey Visionary......

It's very easy - If I managed it ok it must be!!  - There are several places, iTunes Forums, for one show you the step by step guide..
If you want me to locate the one I used, I will...
My slight problem was that there was a 5 month gap from the time I upgraded to iTunes 11 and I had added some more tracks which showed up as duplicate or the dreaded "!" (library can't find loacation of m4a file). Took a couple of hours to sort out, but worth it to me!!

Good luck..

 

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Hi all i have just started streeming I have a sonos but didn't like the problems with the artwork so I took it out and I have just bought a pioneer av amp for my dining room ( main hifi) and I have a denon av amp in the lounge both of which have airplay and work very well sound quaility wise although it sometimes suffers from drop out which is very annoying  mainley when streeming from my mac but not when using my ipad  it is a great way to listen to music I am afraid I tend to cherry pick tracks until I have about 30 tracks and then I sit back and enjoy  :cheers: Major

 

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Good post ... having gone through the pain of ripping both my CD and vinyl collection to FLAC, I don't think I would be prepared to forego the convenience and sound quality and go back to using the silver disc spinning machine on any regular basis. The latter does have one advantage though ... as a piece of hifi equipment, it certainly looks very impressive. So, I find myself teetering on the brink of selling my mint AA Paganini MKII .. should I or shouldn't I? I suppose I could always use a cheapish DVD player as suggested earlier (via the digital output) if I ever needed to play a CD in the future.

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RE: Streaming...there's no going back

Great post Major, completely agree.

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Hi all i have just started streeming I have a sonos but didn't like the problems with the artwork so I took it out

Seriously? That's easily fixed and only occurs because iTunes doesn't save artwork in a standard fashion, can't believe you sent it back because of that! That's (must...be...nice....)...... interesting....

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and I have just bought a pioneer av amp for my dining room ( main hifi) and I have a denon av amp in the lounge both of which have airplay and work very well sound quaility wise although it sometimes suffers from drop out which is very annoying

Wouldn't happen with Sonos!

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Seriously? That's easily fixed and only occurs because iTunes doesn't save artwork in a standard fashion, can't believe you sent it back because of that! That's (must...be...nice....)...... interesting....

I must admit I DO like to see the Album Art (somehow comforting and acts as a sort of aide memoire if I can't remember the title)...

I had a few probs with iTunes 11, but now I'm back with 10.7, it seems to do a good job of emebedding the graphic into the music file so it should always be available.....

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As I said it's easily fixed though, bigboss usually posts a link to a thing that'll do, I can't remember what it's called.

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