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Apple AirPlay to DAC

Hi all.

 

Sorry if this is a repeat question but basically, I have an decent Primare amp to KEF speakers and an AppleTV / Mac.

I want to send music to that amp wirlessly but use a dedicated DAC to process the signal first.

Do I need a DAC with an ethernet socket to plug into my Router thus 'appearing' as AirPlay on my network?

Are there DACs out there that are Mac friendly?

Cheers.

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

No, the Apple TV is Airplay friendly and you just need a DAC with an optical in to accept the signal from the Apple TV (which, if it's the latest model, only has optical out, not analogue).  Personally I do it with the StreamMagic, but there are a number of cheaper DACs on the market which would suffice.  Full list here, just make sure it has an optical in.

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

Sorry, what I meant was, I want the DAC to show up on my iPhone and MacBook whether the AppleTV is there or not.

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Ah ok, that's very different Smile

I'm not aware of anything that is just a DAC and incorporates Airplay.  There are some AV receivers and All-in-Ones that are, but that would obviate the need for your Primare, which seems a bit of a radical solution.  There are DACs which have bluetooth like the Arcam rBlink, but I don't think iPhones/iPads do Apt-X, which means the sound quality wouldn't be as good.

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

John Duncan wrote:

Ah ok, that's very different Smile

I'm not aware of anything that is just a DAC and incorporates Airplay. 

Would the new Arcam airDAC fufill the brief?

Coming soon. (Allegedly.)

http://www.whathifi.com/news/ces-2013-arcam-airdac-brings-airplay-to-your-hi-fi

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Ooo well there you go...

EDIT - "mid-July". Though on the other hand - "£400".

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

The ARCAM airDAC almsot does what I need - but the probelm is it adds another wifi spot. I want a set up that uses my existing wifi.

So in my mind, a DAC with an ethernet port that is connected to my router that I can pump audio to via any Apple device that processes into my amp. I used to use Airport Express but obviously the DAC in that was less than great.

Also, I want to be stareming audio from my MacBook AND be on the web. I could only be on either the airDAC or my own WLAN if I went with the ARCAM.

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

Just read that the airDAC also hs an ethernet - so will just plig into my router and away I go.

£400 is a bit cheeky but I guess I can keep all my gear this way.

Anything else that does what the airDac does?

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

I've pre ordered this. I can push tunes to it form any Apple device over wifi with no loss of quakity (I only have FLAC or ALAC files on iTunes) but can also process auio through it's Optical input from my Media Player and TV player.

 

Cheers all.

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

PrimeRib wrote:

I've pre ordered this. I can push tunes to it form any Apple device over wifi with no loss of quakity 

Cheers all.

If you are using WIFI then you will have loss of quality, as has been mentioned many times before Apples Airplay uses UDP as its transmission protocol with no error retry. Wifi networks often see around 2% packetloss due to congestion/interference.

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AnotherJoe wrote:

If you are using WIFI then you will have loss of quality,

 

wow, that's an amazingly definite broad, yet completely incorrect statement.

 

Just because it's wifi doesn't mean you will lose any quality. 

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Airplay has timing packets and can re-transmit lost packets.  No idea if this applies to damaged packets.  I thought this would mannifest as a pause or stutter rather than quality loss?  

 

Im sure you will understand better than I, head for section 5.2 RTP streams

http://nto.github.io/AirPlay.html#audio-rtsprequests

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

As the man said, the airDac has ethernet as well. (And can be used via optical if he wishes to play 'full fat' FLAC files.)

So this is not an 'either or' thread.

The OP wanted a DAC with native AirPlay and the functions of a 'dedicated DAC' too. Why 'beat him up' over wireless when his DAC will have both.

He wanted the choice to use both options (wireless/wired) and will get it.

 

 

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RE: Apple AirPlay to DAC

He said he can use wifi with no loss of quality.

I was just pointing out thats incorrect and he should use wired if possible (even homeplugs).

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AnotherJoe wrote:

He said he can use wifi with no loss of quality.

I was just pointing out thats incorrect and he should use wired if possible (even homeplugs).

 

It is correct though.  Please stop saying it isn't....

 

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cheeseboy wrote:

AnotherJoe wrote:

He said he can use wifi with no loss of quality.

I was just pointing out thats incorrect and he should use wired if possible (even homeplugs).

It is correct though.  Please stop saying it isn't....

 

 

Even WHF came to the conclusion that wired was better in their blind testing (without knowing why).

Its doesnt matter whether its Apple, Denon, Sony whoever - UDP over WIFI and perfect quality audio do not match.

If the ultimate quality is that important to you - then...

...U-S-E_W-I-R-E-D  :wall:

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