Have your say & ask the experts!

Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

373 replies [Last post]
gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

duaplex wrote:

Not necessarily, not all products are excellent out of the box and some calibration is needed to bring the best out them.  I believe this the point David is making.When you compare the Oppo 103 to say the Pioneer 450 on a 50 inch TV you wil struggle to see the difference, its there but you have to look hard. Now switch over to a projector and the difference is very clear. The 103 has the best picture quality around. right up there with the 715BD if not better. This was my experience when I had a recent demo and yes I adjusted the settings to get there.

The review is harsh, I would have gone with 4 stars and awarded the 105 the 5, purely because it's better on Music.

 

Can't see the Oppo 105 getting anywhere near 5 stars if it produces the same budget Blu-ray picture as the Oppo 103 at double the money which David says it does, then we could be looking at 2 stars!  Like you say though the sound should be better quality on the more expensive one.  Guess we will have to wait and see.  

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

The only difference between Oppo 105 & Oppo 103 is enhanced audio quality. Picture quality is exactly the same (same as with CA 651 BD / 751BD).

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

gel wrote:

duaplex wrote:

Not necessarily, not all products are excellent out of the box and some calibration is needed to bring the best out them.  I believe this the point David is making.When you compare the Oppo 103 to say the Pioneer 450 on a 50 inch TV you wil struggle to see the difference, its there but you have to look hard. Now switch over to a projector and the difference is very clear. The 103 has the best picture quality around. right up there with the 715BD if not better. This was my experience when I had a recent demo and yes I adjusted the settings to get there.

The review is harsh, I would have gone with 4 stars and awarded the 105 the 5, purely because it's better on Music.

 

My personal opinion of the 751bd picture quality is poor, so if this Oppo is like the 751 bd the review is spot on!  I do like the sound on the 751bd though, dont know about the  Oppo sound  but trust the review.

So you trust Oppo 103's review, but don't trust CA 751's review! Shock

http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambridge-audio-azur-751bd

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

manicm's picture
Offline
Joined: 1 May 2008
Posts: 2673
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

bigboss wrote:

The only difference between Oppo 105 & Oppo 103 is enhanced audio quality. Picture quality is exactly the same (same as with CA 651 BD / 751BD).

Not what WHF's and TrustedReview's reviews have suggested on the CA 651 BD / 751BD. Although the video specs seem to be exact in both players on paper, both reviews suggested somehow they thought the more expensive player had better overall picture quality.

NEW:

In any event I would not be surprised if cheaper players like the new Pioneer surpass the 751BD in picture terms.

At $500 the Oppo 103 seems excellent value, and most rags are giving it rave reviews - like PCMag - their reviews carry no truck and are not shy to give low ratings to consumer electronics besides the obvious computer. They've rated it especially high on video performance.

I guess we have to wait for the other UK rags like HiFi News etc - then again IMO these rags review quality/emphasis is high on audio, mediocre/thin on video.

__________________

Arcam Solo Mini/Monitor Audio RX1/Cambridge Audio 751BD/Samsung 37” LCD

ellisdj's picture
Offline
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Posts: 1095
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

A player like that needs testing sound 3 ways

Bitsream, PCM and Analgue using its internal processing levels etc  and then each should be reported on individually as its thats 3 key features of the player.  The CD playback should be commented on under each section

 

I think to just generalise and say the sound is.... is not enough a review for a product like this - we need a bit more to help us.  Apologies that its more work

 

I think all players should be reported on the same, it doesnt have to be loads of words just commented on in its various forms - hope that makes sense

__________________

Meridian G61R, HD621, Bryston 9BSST

Optimised Audio PC - J River / JPlay / Custom Full Linear Power Supply

Panasonic 65VT65, Marantz UD7007, HIFi Racks Podium Reference

Monitor Audio GX100, GXC150, GXFX, SVS SB13 ULTRA (set with hard knee house curve)

JCAT USB and Sata, Graham Slee Spatia (SC) Graham Slee Lautus Digital / Analogue IC x 9

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

bigboss wrote:
gel wrote:

duaplex wrote:

Not necessarily, not all products are excellent out of the box and some calibration is needed to bring the best out them.  I believe this the point David is making.When you compare the Oppo 103 to say the Pioneer 450 on a 50 inch TV you wil struggle to see the difference, its there but you have to look hard. Now switch over to a projector and the difference is very clear. The 103 has the best picture quality around. right up there with the 715BD if not better. This was my experience when I had a recent demo and yes I adjusted the settings to get there.

The review is harsh, I would have gone with 4 stars and awarded the 105 the 5, purely because it's better on Music.

 

My personal opinion of the 751bd picture quality is poor, so if this Oppo is like the 751 bd the review is spot on!  I do like the sound on the 751bd though, dont know about the  Oppo sound  but trust the review.

So you trust Oppo 103's review, but don't trust CA 751's review! Shock http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambridge-audio-azur-751bd

 

I trust it but just didn't like it, there is a difference.  I personally like the picture on my Pioneer as I have stated.  I don't like the picture on Denon's either but know that other people do.  I can safely say I have never bought a 3 star product and never will.  Yamaha amps get 5 stars but I like Pioneer amps and currently have a 4 star amp.

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

For example because I trusted the Cambridge Audio review I went and had a demo but just didn't like it.  Would I now go and demo this Oppo and drive an hour away to do so based on that review, no I don't think I would, because I trust there is something in the poor review.  We all make decisions like this when buying equipment.

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

So BB you don't agree with the Oppo review I guess, but I guess you still trust the reviews don't you?   Smile

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

I trust my eyes & ears more than reviews.  Smile

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

gel wrote:

I can safely say I have never bought a 3 star product and never will.  Yamaha amps get 5 stars but I like Pioneer amps and currently have a 4 star amp.

I seem to remember Andy Clough owning a 3-star rated TV.  Smile

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

bigboss wrote:

I trust my eyes & ears more than reviews.  Smile

 

Fair enough.  Smile

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

gel wrote:

I trust it but just didn't like it, there is a difference.  I personally like the picture on my Pioneer as I have stated.  I don't like the picture on Denon's either but know that other people do.  I can safely say I have never bought a 3 star product and never will.  Yamaha amps get 5 stars but I like Pioneer amps and currently have a 4 star amp.

But then, you found the picture of the 751 to be grainy, whereas WHF review says it's sharp. On what basis are you debating the findings of members who have personally demoed the Oppo & you haven't?

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

bigboss wrote:

gel wrote:

I trust it but just didn't like it, there is a difference.  I personally like the picture on my Pioneer as I have stated.  I don't like the picture on Denon's either but know that other people do.  I can safely say I have never bought a 3 star product and never will.  Yamaha amps get 5 stars but I like Pioneer amps and currently have a 4 star amp.

But then, you found the picture of the 751 to be grainy, whereas WHF review says it's sharp. On what basis are you debating the findings of members who have personally demoed the Oppo & you haven't?

 

I trust the WHF review hence why I bought my Philips TV based on it and hence why I bought my Pioneer amp sc-lx81 amp for £1500 on it, I have never bought a product based on a members view and never will.  I guess you haven't then?

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.

bigboss's picture
Online
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 11870
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

Well, nobody is asking you buy an Oppo.  Smile

__________________

My Home Cinema  Pioneer KRP 500A, Yamaha RX-V1900, MA Radius R225HD LCR, R90HD rears, AW12 sub, Panasonic BD60, PS3, Boxee Box, Sky HD, Boxee Box, Logitech Harmony One, Logitech PS3 Adapter, Sonos ZP90

Bedroom Samsung UE32C6510, PS3 slim white, Apple TV, Sonos S5, Sonos ZP90, Audioengine 2, Oppo OPDV971H

Miscellaneous: Synology DS212J + 2 X WD Red 2TB drives, WD 1TB NAS, Sonos ZoneBridge, BT HH3 as modem & AirPort Extreme router

gel
gel's picture
Offline
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 11571
RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

bigboss wrote:

Well, nobody is asking you buy an Oppo.  Smile

 

Thank god.  Smile  It would take a lot of research for me to buy that now.  Testing both the picture and sound quality thoroughly and then some.

__________________

 

Main AV Setup: Panasonic 50VT65 TV (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1, Optimum AV300 AV Stand, QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable & Chord Silver Plus HDMI Cables. Gadgets: iPad 4 & iPhone 4S.