As ever thank you for your input, it's always good to get your valued point of view.
I guess greed has in many ways got the best of me here as this time round I want to get the best receiver I can afford to last me a good few years and future proof myself as much as possible. I also wanted to get a receiver that gives me more flexibility so I can perhaps add more speakers for surround duties and do my current speakers more justice, my Onkyo 609 always seems like it's not quite good enough for my speakers and I know from the demo I had of them before I bought them that they are capable of much more.
I honestly beleive that the 2020 will fit without any modifications being needed to be made to the unit and that the worst case senario is that I will have to drill some holes in the back panel to accomodate cables, I feel it's a small price to pay for a receiver of that quality at a good price IF indeed the retailer is ever able to supply one.
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Sorry oldboy about your frustration..but you know what you are not tied to any one dealer take your money else where, it maybe that yamaha are the problem and the dealer you are with now can not do any more to reasure you, I suppose there is only so much contact can be made, however it is in there interest to sort something out, but there are other dealers that will also help you, AND have them stocked I understand you would like to keep with some one you have dealt with in the past, but I am sure there are many more dealers as well. Go else where buy your amp and enjoy, your the customer.
Yes I know you should vote with your feet but the major stumbling block is the extra cash other retailers want for the 2020...£1,399 is the cheapest deal I have seen versus £799 from Creative Audio, that's quite a hike in price!!
I've been looking at alternatives over the last few days and I can get a Pionner SCLX56 from Richer Sounds for £899 plus when you take £50 off via a voucher and I get my deposit back from Creative Audio it goes down to £799 but would I be happy with it over the Yamaha 2020...no I don't think so and when I am spending almost £1000 on an amp I want to be happy with my purchase.
If I can get the extra cash together and source a 2020 or even 1020 from another retailer I will do it as Creative have been full of false promises from day one and my patience is rapidly being tested now.
I cooked a fan from QuietPC but after a pleasant email they sent a replacement. Hence a recommendation. I use 80mm fans, one vertically for the side vents of the Sky box and one sits on the warmest vent of the amp. I waa surprised how well they worked with a small 9/12v supply. I chose the quietest with reasonable volume but any noise is generated not by the fan but more the air movement thru the equipment vents. The website gives all the specs in order to make a good choice
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I guess greed has in many ways got the best of me here as this time round I want to get the best receiver I can afford to last me a good few years and future proof myself as much as possible.
So all that's needed is stock. It's not greedy to get the best product for your budget and, with the exception of my latest TV, I've always bought older, higher end equipment at knock-down prices.
Have you tried calling your local Richer Sounds? While few Aventage receivers are listed on the website, they may have one or two knocking around the stock room that they'd offload for a tempting price. When I enquired about the 810 I was advised this model had sold out. An hour later, RS called me back to advise they had one left, brand new and unopened. The most you'll lose is the price of a phone call.
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If the worst happens, and your 2020 does not arrive, have you considered buying from overseas?
In France, Darty are selling the 2020 for €1299 which works out at approx £1130 at current exchange rate.
Surprisingly the 1020 is €1390 , when it should really cost less than the 2020.
I realise that there may be postage involved, unless you take a weekend break to France.
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1020 is in stock now, just ordered one, 2020 doesn't seem to be in stock.
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Thank you for the suggestion...could you give me more info about the fans you use please, perhaps a link? Thanks.
This is an option as well:
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Had a phone call this morning, the 1020 is actually not in stock, but the 2020 seems to be in stock either now, or very soon.
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This is an option as well: http://www.amazon.co.uk/ANTEC-COOLER-VERIS-MEDIA-SERIES/dp/B000VE61XK/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=12OTXE3CZZFVP&coliid=I2CUA55Q4T01TO
Bit expensive but got me thinking if I may make a diy fan enxlosure for the amp but a separate one for the sky box. As with laptop coolers, it has to line up with equipment slots and the sky box has side vents. Off to find some mdf or maybe a plastic box to butcher.
Now I'm fumimg BBB!!!
Where is my phone call then?? I have a deposit down to secure one but I've had no contact...in my humble opinion that is awful customer service.
I really feel like I am being given the run around now and i'm bitterly disappointed with Creative Audio, I'm going to put my complaint in writing this weekend and fire it off to them with a view to getting my deposit back and going elsewhere as I can't see I have any choice now. Absolutely gutted to put it politely
I just hope you secure one to prove they do actually have stock and do actually supply them to some lucky customers, let me know what you decide and how you get on.
Don't go mad at them yet. I've just had a phone conversation with them, and they do not have the 2020 in yet, but they are expecting them before the 1020, maybe next week.
But they could be giving me the sales patter, I don't know.
Maybe if you ring them you will get a definite delivery date from them.
That sounds very much like all the promises I have been given over the last month...next week...always next week but nothing ever materialises.
I'm going to vote with my feet and go elsewhere, after a month of waiting i've had enough and got to the end of my tether and patience, it's not a problem getting one elsewhere and it seems only Creative have issues getting stock.
I will be polite but firm, it's not worth having an argument over it's just a shame they can't deliver on their promises which is very disappointing.
You're not going to get it anywhere near that price though Oldboy, might be worth waiting a little longer.
They said to me that it was a mistake to put the 1020 as in stock on their website, but as far as I know, the £699 has been taken out of my account, so I am getting a little concerned, as I don't want to be waiting for ages, £699 light in my account.
They said they'd either ring me Monday, or when it was in stock with an answer to my query.
Oldboy, I read your posts with sympathy and relief.
Sympathy because I know how frustrating it must be and relief as I was very close to ordering a 2020 from Creative earlier this week. They told me I'd either have it yesterday or the beginning of next week. This is probably unlikely given your posts!
Anyway, I have always been a fan of Yamaha AVRs and have had nothing else. My 3rd and most recent model has just let me down which is why I was considering the 2020. However, it's recent failure and Yamaha's lack of interest in supporting me tarnished my enthusiasm for buying another one.
I ended making the very risky move of buying a new amp without demo having done shed loads of reading about it.
I settled on an Anthem MRX300 and all I can say is that I am stunned by it. I am familiar with the 2020 and can confirm that the Anthem is vastly superior in audio performance. It is lacking in features compared to the Yamaha but it has all the features I need and performance is the most important quality for me.
This could be a blessing in disguise for you. I can recommend talking to Home Cinema Centre. They will give you very honest, straight forward, knowledgable advice and were very competitive on prices.
Don't be put off by the Anthem's conservative power rating, to me it sounds more powerful than the Yamaha. The sound has tremendous body and solidity. The room correction is absolutely world class and has filtered down from the £8k processor I believe. This highly sophisticated room correction leads to the most detailed AV experience I have had. It is not for the faint hearted in terms of set up though but well worth it and your dealer will support you.
I hope that helps. In summary, buy an Anthem MRX300.
But can you get the Anthem for price of the 1020 / 2020 that Oldboy & BBB are getting?
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