Bigboss, thanks for your help. I agree that the Denon appears to outstanding value for the money, almost half the oringinal asking price. Very very tempting indeed.
I must add that as much as I have been looking for reviews on Marantz AV products I can sympathise with publications such as What Hifi. It must be incredibly difficult for publications to keep up with all the new products and updates on current products. The sheer number of products on the market can be overwhelming. Whilst auditioning a Yamaha RX-V773 I asked the dealer a few questions about output and connectivity. He decided to look on Yamaha's website only to find out the the RX-V773 was about to replaced by the RX-V775. (so no point in buying the 773). If dealers are having trouble keeping up what hope is there for the rest of us or for publications such as What Hifi trying to test and review new products which by the time they have tested and published there reviews the product itself may well have been updated or replaced.
What HiFi proudly flag their best buying guide, the number 1source of clear, expert and independent advice.
Is that true?
To be true, the guide should be complete with almost all available products listed and noted.
To be true it should be independent. Independent means, they shouldn't rely on the supplied product, but should get the product from the high street. Otherwise how can they certify that the supplied product was not tweeked, just to get the hieghest rating?
Come on guys! It is clear that something is wrong somewhere.... I do not work for What HiFi to know what is the cause.That's why I posted this thread and I was hoping to get an honest contructive answer... which I didn't get... yet.
Naass, with the huge number of products available on the market across all the different product sectors we cover, it would simply be impossible to test every single product currently available. No-one, not even our rivals, has the resources to do that.
When we can't get a product for review, we do buy it or borrow it from a retailer if we can. We did just that with a recent Denon AV receiver, for example. But we do not have a limitless budget to buy products ourselves, and not all retailers will lend us samples as they obviously have to be unboxed to test them (which effectively makes them secondhand), so we - like every magazine and website in the business - have to rely on manufacturers supplying them for us to test. It's the same with car magazines, camera or computer titles and so on.
We also publish a number of motoring titles - Autocar and WhatCar? - and if we had to buy every new car on the market to test, we'd simply go bust. As bigboss points out, our websites are free.
Our integrity and independence is based on the fact that we never discuss the results of the review with the manufacturer, their marketing or PR dept before they're published. If all the products we tested were 'tweaked' as you suggest, then it would soon become obvious and our readers would no longer trust us.
And I will say again: we always do our best to get relevant models from as many brands as possible (including Sony and Marantz), but it's not always possible within the time constraints/deadlines we operate under. However, if there are particular models you would like us to test (Sony STR-DA5800ES duly noted!) we'll endeavour to get them.
Thanks Andy re Sony av amp.
As I said before, not a pop just a point.
If a manufacturer could simply "tweak" a product to sound better and get a higher rating (and somehow know this tweak would get a higher rating), why on earth would they not just include this tweak in every model? It would serve them a lot better to do so in the long run since they'd get a good review and have happy, loyal customers (which ultimately is the aim of these companies believe it or not!).
But how come, they provide the stereo amps and CD players as you have them systematically on review?
And how can you explain that they always provide you with Denon equivalent?
To say that you have independant review or opinion, you do not need to wait the manfacturer to provide you with the product.
Surely there are other ways or channels that could provide the product for a week.
I'm with you here. This is why we should take no notice of all this subjective nonsense and hype. The sample group is determined by manufacturer input (bias), not a real objective anlaysis of available, comparable products. Then we give adulation to the opinions of people who make no reference to real world applications. We suck it up like the fools we are, as if having the allegedly best sounding, best value for money product is the most important thing in the world in preference to what our ears, eyes, and other considerations may tell us. The opinions of fellow forumites are no more valid, given that most of them are based on the "this is what I've got so it's the best" philosophy. Oh, and dealers will recommend and enthuse about what they sell won't they? All of which may lead you to wonder why you should want to visit this forum, which I won't be anymore.
Only if it is any good.
This seems a popular statement, but I don't suppose a dealer is going to enthuse about something they don't sell seeing as they probably haven't heard it...
David @Frank Harvey Hi-Fi, Coventry
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Hi! I have Cambridge Audio Azur 840C cd Player and I linn Exotic Preamplifier and Parasound model 2250 Power Amplifier. When come to speakers I use spendor S5 or some times I use B&W DM309. What is your view to this combination. I love music and I would love to creat a good hi fi which will do justice to my music. I love both jazz and R&B type of music.
You may do better posting this as a new topic in the 'Hi-Fi' section rather than appending it to this discussion, where it's likely to get overlooked.
Audio Editor, Gramophone
Though it's not inconceivable that review samples are "golden samples, perhaps even hand built," as HDTV Test's David Mackenzie put it.
This statement was made after he bought a Panasonic ST50 with far more noticeable DSE than the sample he reviewed. It's strange that so many problems aren't spotted in reviews, yet show up in abundance once users get their hands on the same model.
Anyway, this is an AV receiver thread, so I won't derail it with more TV talk.
Hardware: Panasonic TX-P50VT65B (calibrated); Cambridge Audio Azur 651BD; Yamaha RX-A810; Teac PD-H600; PS3; B&W 601 & 600LCR (series 3); Q Acoustics QAV (rear)
Furniture and Accessories: BLOK Classix 3000 Oak AV Cabinet; Atacama Nexus 6 (atabite metal filled); 3D3 A1112
I just wanted to add that I was also hoping that WHF would review the newer Sony AV models, especially 5600ES, but there were any after 5400ES model. Maybe things will change with the 5800ES model…
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