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WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

Dear WHF Team,

Firstly thanks for your great reviews and an excellent website/forums. 

I'm in the market for a new AVR and had keen eyes on the Onkyo 3008 and 5008. Now i read reviews for both on your website and you have given sensational 5 stars to both the AVRs.

I was going through their specs on Onkyo website and they both seem to weigh 25 kgs. Only difference being..

A. 24 Bit DACs vs 32 Bit DACs

B. Massive Toroidal Transformer vs Massive Transformer

C. USB at front and back vs. USB at back

So what i'm trying to figure out here is....

1. Did you compare both the AVRs with same set of speakers and movies etc..? Were all other parameters besides the AVR equal ?

2. In what ways is the 5008 sonically superior to the 3008 ?

Thanks in Anticipation.

Warm Regards,

Rana

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I'll ask the review crew to respond, but they're a bit flat out on the next issue at the mo, so it may take a little while...

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OMG!! You still haven't made your mind up yet? Lol

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Interesting question, some distributors offer TX-NR5007 at similar price with TX-NR3008. Comparisson would be worth. Heating issue was noticed since TX-SR805. Is the issue effecting all this models the same?

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ric71 wrote:
OMG!! You still haven't made your mind up yet? Lol

Rana I also can't believe you haven't sorted your AVR out yet, weren't you thinking about some Yamahas about 6 months ago

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

yes indeed i was looking at the Yamaha V1900/2067/3067, specially the 3067 as i was very keen on a 11.2 setup after hearing one at my friend's place.

But the lack of Dolby Volume, Dynamic EQ/Volume and THX Loudness Plus is holding me back and forcing me to look at the Onkyo 3008/5008.

I have to hear at low volumes many times and Dolby Volume is a must for me. That's the only thing the V3067 lacks. I'm not too sure how good the Adaptive DRC is with low volume listening. "Dialogue Intelligibility" is of paramount Importance to me especially at low volumes. 

My research tells me that among Aud Dynamic Volume/EQ, THX Loudness Plus, Yamaha Adaptive DRC and Dolby Volume the latter is the best of Low Volume listening. I wonder why isn't Dolby putting this in more AVRs 

Yamaha might never have Aud Dynamic/EQ or THX loudness Plus because they have their own concept of Adaptive DRC but i hope they can at least get the Dolby Volume in their next 71 series. That'll be the best scenario for me.

To get an idea of the Onkyo Sound Signature i did a demo of a Onkyo 808 with Elac speakers. I found the Onkyo to have a vast soundstage and a lot of detail. The effects were pin-point and i always carry my demo dvd. I felt i could hear things which i didn't hear at my home setup with my Yamaha AVR. ( which is understandable as my Yamaha is 6yrs old mid end model RX V450 )

Also it created an amazing atmosphere which i guess my Yamaha cannot. In simpler words i felt i was in the movie scenes which i've never felt with my Yamaha. ( again i'm sure that's due to my older Yamaha just being too old and the newer 3067 should match the Onkyo 3008 )

But i also felt that the Onkyo sound signature was a bit clinical/harsh to the ears. I felt it was piercing my ears. I've been to used to the warm signature of the Yamaha for so many years that Onkyo simply was a bit too bright for me.

But after years being used to the nice warm, lush and easy on the ears Yamaha sound it'll be impossible for me to adjust to a harsher sound. 

Hence it's very important for me to know if the Adaptive DRC keeps the Dialogue Intelligibility excellent in low volumes.

Dialogue was exceptionally clear which i find i struggle to understand with my Yamaha. ( Now this is a very important factor for me because there are many times i have to listen to at low volumes )

But the reasons i want to move from Yamaha to Onkyo are Dolby Volume, Dynamic EQ/Volume, THX Loudness Plus as all of these technologies aid in Better Dialogue Intelligibility at lower volumes which is paramount to me. 

I'm looking at the Onkyo 3008/5008. But the only thing stopping me right now is the Bright sound of the Onkyo.

But i've read that the higher range Onkyo's like the 3008/5008 are considerably Warmer in nature than the typical Onkyo House sound which tends to be Bright. I've also read across many reviews that the Onkyo series from 07/08 onward are actually less attacking than before.

I'm used to the Rich and Warm Yamaha sound for more than a decade now and so it'll be too much of a change for me to go for Bright AVRs.

That being said... An AVR dealer is arranging a Demo of the 3008 for me and i'm gonna carry over my PSB Image speakers to see/hear how they sound with the Onkyo. If i like the combo then i'll buy the Onkyo but if i don't then i'll have to settle with the Yamaha V3067 as that's the safe choice for me since i currently use my speakers with a Yamaha and love the match. I've also heard the 3067 at a member's house and it's just fantastic.

I really want to stay with Yamaha as i love it's lovely smooth sound but i'll have no choice but to move to a Onkyo if the Low volume needs are not satisfied by the Yammy.

Clarity of Dialogue is of paramount importance to me.

that's the story till now. i want to get done with this soon.

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

Have you considered Denon as they have Audyssey Dynamic Eq etc and are warm,smooth sounding.

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

yes indeed i demoed the 3311 and the 4311. But unfortunately i found them to be a bit too "Flat" sounding to my liking.

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It is sometimes considered from later series to be a bit flat. I have audiotioned AVR-1907, sounded very nice for the buck. Denon or Onkyo, depends on what sound you prefere, if you like warmer and smoother sound you get the first, if you prefere more dynamic and powerful, you get the second. Advatage of Denon is that you can get ABT upscaler even at lower end models. Advatage of Onkyo is HQV upscaler, but in higher end models only. Do not keep unnoticed VLSC. It reduce digital noise and make sound more natural. Compareable by Denon but not the same is AL24 processing.

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

You cannot compare your Yamaha 450 with the 3067 when it comes to dialogue intelligibility. They're leagues apart. Even I listen at low volumes, & have absolutely no problem with dialogue clarity with my receiver. More importantly, it also depends on which speakers you're using.

 

All the features you've mentioned are mere gimmicks. First & foremost is how does the receiver sound. If you find the Onkyo a bit harsh to your liking, everything else falls apart. No point in looking into it any further.

 

I knew you wouldn't have bought a receiver & I'm sure you won't buy one until your current one breaks down. By nature, you hesitate before making a purchase (which is good but only to an extent). 

 

The most important rule for choosing an AV system is system matching. Choose the speakers first (as they're the most visible bit of your AV system) & then match the receiver to it. Every receiver will sound different with a given set of speakers. So if WHF give 5 stars to an Onkyo, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to reproduce the same performance with your set of speakers. You cannot just combine any receiver to any speaker set & expect it to perform brilliantly because the individual reviews have been great.

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

bigboss, some very valid observations there. As always i value your advice.

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Andrew Everard wrote:

I'll ask the review crew to respond, but they're a bit flat out on the next issue at the mo, so it may take a little while...

 

Hi Andrew,

Were you able to get information for me as promised above ?  Smile

Regards,

Rana

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Unfortunately not – with tight schedules, holidays and various business trips, haven't managed to pin them down.

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RE: WHF Team... Onkyo 3008 vs. 5008..?

i'll wait for an update from you..

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