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in searching for appropriate electronics for my kef r5.1 system i looked into a forum in whom following thinks been said

that it is a joke that human ears can hear the differences of speakers sounding with high or very high end amplification

(it is the same for high ended scad and cd players) let say classe or mackintosh compairing with cheap amplification 

let say an av receiver costing 300 euro . a meaning that had been shared with many visistors 

is all than measure differences that human can not hear ???

i was visiting a site (harmonique-blog) where the expert tested the kef r300 with high end and than with an onkyo 5009

he said that high end opened up much more the music, kept the bass reproduction much more controlled and tight and so 

one there were the onkyo was making the music much more flat, not so detailed, dit not take advantge off the 

speakers capacity 

what do the forum visitors and the expert from whats hifi find ?

Are audiophiles than a type of guys believing in something they can not hear?

Thank you for your reactions 

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RE: True or not ???

I'll put it this way:

Drive a Nissan Micra at 70mph & then a Merc C class at the same speed. Without taking interiors into consideration, which car will you prefer to drive? The Merc, even though going at the same speed as the Nissan, feels effortless cruising at that speed while the Micra will seem to struggle & its engine will be working harder.

Would you then say all cars are the same if they're capable of driving at 70mph?

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RE: True or not ???

bigboss wrote:
Drive a Nissan Micra at 70mph & then a Merc C class at the same speed.

At least in a Micra people won't think you're a k### Smile

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RE: True or not ???

chebby wrote:

bigboss wrote:
Drive a Nissan Micra at 70mph & then a Merc C class at the same speed.

At least in a Micra people won't think you're a k### Smile

Smile

Alright alright! Compare a Skoda Fabia with Octavia, or a Ford Ka with Mondeo etc....

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RE: True or not ???

first of al let me say that y do not agree or disagree the statement that electronics aren't important ....but it must not 

become a statement off mass production against unique 

i am shure that mass production can reduce costs because there are selling much more 

pioneer onkyo and yahama are topp (in selling) ...and when you sell much you become sheaper ??

that is an economicly rull ...by the way the question was can you or not hear the differences????

can anyone help me with theseone ....i have see a review from a av receiver pioneer elite sc68 who 

is enormous with music ...i have been on the site of pioneer and that amp is not there 

is these a amp that they don't sell in europe???

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The Pioneer Elite line is only sold in the US.

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chebby wrote:

bigboss wrote:
Drive a Nissan Micra at 70mph & then a Merc C class at the same speed.

At least in a Micra people won't think you're a k### Smile

rolling on the floor laughing

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RE: True or not ???

Will a Micra reach 70 mph this side of christmas, one of my staff has one and they never took it above 30 mph.

Any way, Nestle chocolate or Hotel Chocolate. Both make chocolate but I know which I prefer.

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Cadbury's Smile

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RE: True or not ???

thank you 

do the pioneer 86 use the same type off amplification ?

D3  third generation d amplification 

is there an explenation off why models are changing between USA and Europe??

 

 

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onlystyle wrote:

is there an explenation off why models are changing between USA and Europe??

Some manufacturers have different model numbers specific for the US. Probably to prevent grey market from flourishing. Even Canon has different model numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS#Naming_scheme

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onlystyle wrote:

do the pioneer 86 use the same type off amplification ?

D3  third generation d amplification 

My understanding is that the Pioneer Elite SC68 is sold as SC LX86 in Europe. Both are same models.

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RE: True or not ???

thanks a lot bigg boss 

whele now i begin to understand the winning award pioneer 86

the 68 has been reviewd hometheatrereviews and received 5 stars musical 

the compartiment music is wonderfull ( stereo and theatre) 

only the nad t787 likes to bee better but it cost 1300.00 euro more 

i am going to match upp kef r300 with the 86

i am always looking for more than one appreciation ....everyone likes to be unanim about the 86

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i have just read the review of yahama 3020 receiver and in it there is an interesting remarque for those who believe difference in amplification 

can not be heard ......this receiver is like his competitors i hink onkyo 5009 and for exemple pioneer lx 86 sonicly a long way away 

from a descent sounding stereo amplifier .......so the testing guys from whats hifi are believing that there is a great difference between 

those ...with other words even the top off the bill reveivers can not holding a candle soundwise against stereo amplification...

what i can not understand that while manufactors who are producing 2000.00 euro receivers have so many difficulties to introduce 

descent stereo in those .....you can buy a stereo receiver for 500.00 euro ...that leave them with 1500.00 euro to spent 

how do this come ???

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onlystyle wrote:

i have just read the review of yahama 3020 receiver and in it there is an interesting remarque for those who believe difference in amplification 

can not be heard ......this receiver is like his competitors i hink onkyo 5009 and for exemple pioneer lx 86 sonicly a long way away 

from a descent sounding stereo amplifier .......so the testing guys from whats hifi are believing that there is a great difference between 

those ...with other words even the top off the bill reveivers can not holding a candle soundwise against stereo amplification...

what i can not understand that while manufactors who are producing 2000.00 euro receivers have so many difficulties to introduce 

descent stereo in those .....you can buy a stereo receiver for 500.00 euro ...that leave them with 1500.00 euro to spent 

how do this come ???

 why dnt u good to a shop & ask the shop to do a blind test & see which one u like. Yes Generally speaking 2 channel amps are more musical, but thats not to say there are no AV amp that are good at music.. Just 7 or 8 years ago Av amps use to sound hard & harsh, but a lot has changed now. The difference between an AV amp & 2 channel amp is not as much as people think. Technology can only move so far as far as two channel is concerned. Some well engineered AV amps sound better than some 2 channel amps. Take the test urself u may even find it hard to notice much bewteen both.

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thank you 

yes i am going to audition a few receivers ...from all that i hear NAD should be soundwise the best ......but i also going to auditione 

the pioneer yahama onkyo and anthem if naturely they are al there ....perhaps there is another brand who knocked them out 

i shall certainly give you my thoughts .....