Excuse me for jumping in on this thread but i'm a little confused now.
I'm wanting to add an amp to my set-up to improve both 2chanel music and integrate into my 5.1 system.It has been suggested i require an integrated stereo amp.However after following this thread is that the best way....also the oppo105(music/films)acts as a pre-amp.
I'm asking on here becouse i havn't aranged any demo's yet,plus it would be nice to know what i require
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to add amp for stereo, you need integrated amplifier with MAIN IN/Power amp in input. Connect this with front preout from AV receiver.
only a few of them has this inputs. Some are switchable (Arcam Alpha 9, .. - there is input directly to power amplifier), some not (I know that NADs have preout and main in connectors, connected with cable - you can buy cinch switch and switch between preout from receiver and integrated amp preout). this way, connect dvd/BD player to receiver, you control volume in receiver, integrated amplifier works only as power amplifier.
when you want to listen to music, receiver will be turned off, and you connect cd player/computer/.. to integrated amplifier and control volume on it.
receiver will amps only surrounds/center.
other way is to have preapmlifier and power amplifier. and wou will switch between preamplifier for music and preout connectors from reciever - connected to power amplifier.
integrated amplifier = preamplifier + power amplifier
sorry, english is not my language so if it is hard to understand, I will do a picture :)
Your English is better than mine and iv'e lived here all my natural(so far )
Oooh yes please,a picture would be smashing
Seriously,thanks for your reply
See if these help you.
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Mr Hoy you are a star
oh nice but I already draw pictures
so.. I won't delete them so here they are
AVR only, for surround and stereo
Integrated amplifier with hometheater pass input (MAIN IN, POWER AMP IN, PROCESSOR IN, ...)
Integrated amplifier WITHOUT ht pass
with speaker switching box stereo and surround systems are separated
with power amplifier and preamplifier for stereo
So how does one go about assessing AV amps for their preamp qualities? Sounds like its going to be the weakest link in the system.
The Marantz Sr7007 has a very good pre amp stage. But i suppose that is out of your range.. Have you actually sat down side by side & had a listen to a good av amp & 2 channel amp to work if the diffrence is that much, or are you going by what others are saying.. I for one dnt think the difference is that must to really worry about using a good av amp for 2 channel music.
I was once in a shop auditioning a 2 channel amp & an av amp. The retail man kept tell wing oh dnt you see the AV amp does not play well.. Oh not good at all.. .. But when i told him woukld he go out so a collouge would setup one or the other... He agreed & could not tell if the 2 channel or av amp was play with each setup.. Most people say you get more musicality from a 2 channel.. Yes i can tell there is some difference, but if it is to the piont were i struggle to find the diffrence then i may as well use my av amp for music..
The two amps compared were, Marantz SR7007 & creek destiny 2.. speakers used were a pair of 2grand kef speakers..
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Claire newsome had a good solution to this with no compromise on sound quality.
Seperate AV and Stereo systems into the same speakers.
You have your AV components and stereo components seperate; add banana plugs to your two sets of speaker cables and label up the HiFi and AV speaker cables clearly, then swap them over depending on the system you want to use.
Sounds like a bit of a hastle and it's more cables to hide, but it sounds like the best of both worlds with no compromise at all on sound quality.
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I see that there has been no activity on this thread for some months. I hope that some folks will see this and respond.
I am looking to get an AV tuner/ amplifier to ALSO use for listening to classical music sourced from FM radio and CDs. I have presently an OLD Sony STR-AV710 (two channels) that has performed reliably for at least twenty years. I also have a set of Bose Aoustimass 5, Series 2 speakers, comprising two very small tweeter/ midrange units, and a subwooker, all fed with one set of speaker wires (wires run from the subwoofer to each of the two twweter/ midrange speaker units. I have grown increasingly unhappy with the performance of my present system, primarily due to poor sound. Midrange is lacking and the treble sounds piercing and irritating to my ears. The sound lacks fullness, particularly for my music. It improves if I turn the volume up beyond what my wife wil tolerate.
I am ready to go for as much as $1500 for the new tuner/ amp and probably new speakers. I am about to downsize to new living space, and expect to be satisfied with 2.1 sound. I am CERTAIN I will never want to run more than 5.1. I want to connect the AVR to a home network so as to be able to stream music and video from internet sources. I presently have a DVR (vintage 2002) capable of outputting 480p/ 480i, via one component video/ audio output. The DVR also has two S-Video outputs and inputs, two sets of RCA connector video and audio inputs and outputs. (I expect I'll want to get a TiVo, Roku (or similar) in the future. I have a nice Sharp 37" LCD TV (~ 6 years old), which though presently situated in a large rooom with HIGH ceilings, will, when we move, be situated in a more 'normal-sized' room (perhaps 14' x 16' with 8' ceilings. I expect to continue with CDs as long as they are made; I don't expect to ever use the highly-compressed modes such as MP3.
I live out in 'the country," and will not be able to go to listening studios to audition a buch of different setups. I have looked seriously at the Yamaha RX-V673 based upon reviews. It was, until the other day, priced on Amazon.com at $399. Amazon just raised the price to $499 (amazing to me for a discontinued model), but I am hoping the price will drop again. Does this AVR have a 2 or 2.1 channel switchable option? How decent is the sound in stereo mode? How is the tuner? I never "crank up" the volume and am not interested in exaggerated, booming base that some 'rockers' enjoy. I don't want a booming home theater experience for war scenes and the like.
I will very much appreciate suggestions and comments.
Thanks in advance from 'ghoti.'
I get good musical results from my Pioneer AV receiver (and I'm comparing this with my previous Cambridge Azur / Ruark stereo set-up). I noticed Richer Sounds had a few VSX-2021's still for £500, although they are 2011 models, their original RRP was £800.
Its modern equivalent is the SC-2023-K.
It's reasonably fast has a beautiful midrange and definitely rewards your ears when the source is of good quality (a noticeable transformation with DTS-HD for example).
One proviso: after trying most settings / crossovers etc, I've settled on the following for best stereo source musical listening:
Crossover from speakers to sub at 80hz
Speakers set to "small" (helps remove any flabbiness, keeps the main speakers fast & tight and passes all the bass to the active sub)
Sound setting on receiver: "Extended Stereo" (plays stereo signal through all channels).
Fader adjust (using iOS app) about half way towards the front (but ONLY with stereo sources. Music blurays that deliver 5.1 signals, I adjust this back to the centre point).
I thoroughly enjoy listening to music this way (classical, jazz, latin, folk, electronica, funk).
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I will very much appreciate suggestions and comments
if you're not in a hurry, keep watching the 673. It seems to go up and down every few days. I've seen it as low as $349 and a high of $499.
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that is my system:
Using apple tv a lot, hdmi input was the biggest problem to suit my stereo taste. I dont like 5.1 system but need a few hdmi.
Its a marantz nr1403 with the preout output going into the preamp. On the preamp you can use the fixed or variable output wich allow you to bypass the volume control if need be.
The sound is awesome but more expansive than i first intended my system to be.
This thing could solve your problem, its an avr pre and you only need a 2 channel power amp to get the best of both worlds:
I cannot recommand cause I dont know anything about emotiva, just came on it a few months ago and liked the design.
In the long run going seperates will allow you to upgrade and pick really good parts.
Has anybody checked the CA Azure 351r ?
They claim it is a AV receiver with special care for HIFI stereo. altough it has lesser features than others in it`s kind...
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