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Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

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Hello everyone  hello or goodbye

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Bought the sony Std820 just to do a test, but it was completely useless shame on you .....The treble was like the amp just cant delivery it. and the amp was also doing everything to a low standerd. (gunna return lol shifty

 

Now..... i need a AV reicever that is good for music..Not fussed how good it is on cinema...

dont want to spend over 500 tbh... So cant really go for the big Arcams, As u kno there brilliant...

If the Reiceiver does music well, there should be no problem for it to do Cinema well?

 

Im thinking of the Onkyo TX-NR515 (What-Hifi 5* Award ) but my dads says Marantz NR-1402 Quest

What would you say? which is better for music#

 

Thanks in advance

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Look at Yamaha & Denon which are very good with music. If you buy a receiver with pre-outs, you can always add a dedicated stereo amplifier at a later date without having to upgrade your receiver if you're still not happy with sound. Even a good budget stereo amplifier generally outperforms most AV receivers.

Definitely demo your options before purchase.

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Thanks for the reply...il have a look at the denon and yamaha's

 

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

I have a Yamaha 667 and it's "good" with music but that's all.

 

In fact that's all have ever heard said about AV playing music, if you want the music to really grab you and have any kind of wow factor go for two systems one for film one for music.

 

The pre out thing I've tried and it never sat well with me always a compromise.

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

The Yamaha X-V673 is the one to go for . The 2ch sound is seriously good for an AV amp at this price pioint. When you consider it has Airplay, DAC and room eq as well as plenty of power it is a great stereo product in its own right.

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Cptbaker1980 wrote:
The pre out thing I've tried and it never sat well with me always a compromise.

Compromise in what way?

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The_Lhc wrote:

Cptbaker1980 wrote:
The pre out thing I've tried and it never sat well with me always a compromise.

Compromise in what way?

I don't understand it either. It bypasses the AV receiver completely, so where's the question of compromise?

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Compromise was functionality over sound quality

the out is pre-amp out so the tonal imprint of the AV was always there

even when set flat the character of the 667 was always audible.

 

Im not saying it sounded bad it just didn't wow me, songs I new and loved came out clear and full but flat as a pancake even after 6-7months of EQ settings and messing with setup.

 

Think the issue was just too much processing going on in the signal path cd-AV pre amp-stereo amp-speakers took the life out of a lot of recordings.

 

And from a sound perspective the qualitys that make BB king sound like a blues legend are miles from making it sound like the 18th century had declared war on my living room in master and commander

 

I think this is probably the most difficult thing to achieve on a budget film and music equally of high..ish quality.

 

The two system route is the best I've found for me. Two amps one for film one for music and share the front L&R speakers.

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You're doing it wrong! The idea is to take all of the 2-ch (ie music) sources and plug them straight into the stereo amp (which is why they're usually integrated stereo amps when used for this purpose), that way the AV amp isn't even switched on when listening to music.

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Yep get the 2 Chanel imput thing sorry should have said blu ray.

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If music is key and you don't need an all singing AV set up, definitely got the two box pre out root. You just need a receiver with front left an right pre outs (check eBay for a Sony da2400es or similar) and then a second hand stereo amp like the Denon PMA-350SE or similar. Both for well under £500 and music will sound much better than a £500 receiver.

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Depends what kind of music format you're listening to though doesn't it?  A stereo integrated by and large will fall at the first hurdle if trying to handle a hi-res source.  They don't, by and large, offer onboard DACs, and so on...a few do (think Harman's HK990 or the more recent Onkyo A9000-R (£1500) or their A9070 stereo amps which has seaparate onboard Wolfson 24-bit/192khz DACs for the left and right channels but integrateds are mostly rooted with one foot in the past.

Your AV shortlist should also include Onkyo for that matter (no, I'm not on commission!), as Noel Keywood at Hi Fi World has reviewed several of their amps in recent years and I can't recall any one of them getting a poor write-up for music and they all handle the different formats well.

Plus you have all the other benefits an AV amp generally brings; the means to bi-amp easily, more are now coming with network connectivity opening up the internet's many music or radio streaming features available or built-in and so on.  

 

EDIT: Having said all that, I'm thinking about trying out the aforementioned Onkyo A-9070...

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Hi iHarpzZ, I have previously posted a similar question. Along with the brands already mentioned, it is also definitely worth auditioning Marantz AV Receivers as the general concensus is that they are very good with music. Marantz have released their new models for this year and you should definitley have a listen to the SR5007, SR6007 and SR7007.

One other thing to mention is that although Denon & Marantz are owned by the same parent company, the Marantz AVR's seem to sound better than their Denon counterparts.

Hope this helps !

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Hello all,

I just stumbled accross this thread looking for a solution to the stereo / 5.1 dilemma. I met with this problem a couple of years or so ago and decided to stay stereo. Now I see that the many problems that caused me to stick with stereo haven't been resolved in the meantime!

However, there are a lot of misconceptions in this thread that perhaps I can clear up. 

As for this question. Using an AV receiver as a pre-amp will always be a compromise because the AV reveiver is being used as a pre-amp. This doesn't mean the signal 'bypasses the AV receiver completely' -- quite the opposite. The AV reciever is boosting the line-level signal to the correct volume level, ready for power amplification.

People suggesting pre-amp into integrated amp have also missed this point. You can't take a pre-amp signal and put it into an integrated amp. An "integrated" amp means integrated pre-amp and power-amp. If you take pre-amp and put it into integrated you will be going pre-amp > pre-amp > power amp. Quite apart from the poor effect this would have on sound, you will also have two volume knobs controlling the same signal -- very bad. People have mixed up line-level output and pre-amp output.

The pre-amp solution is only intended for power-amplification. So AV receiver [pre-out] > power amp.

Also some people seem to suggest that all stereo sources go to integrated amp, and the rest can go to AV receiver. How would this work? If your 5.1 source (DVD etc) goes to AV receiver, you can't (as far as I know) get an analogue line-level signal of just the front L and R channels out. I can only assume that these people mean you should have two sources of amplification plugged into the front L and Rs!! One being AV receiver for 5.1 duties, t'other being integrated amp for stereo duties. I don't have to insult anybody's intelligence by saying that's an absolute no-go. 

So, yes, you can use AV receiver as pre-amp, but make sure you feed the signal into a stereo power-amp, not an integrated. Other than that, stick to two systems...or stereo...or medicore music.... See why I call this a dilemma! Sad

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RE: Good AV receiver for Music??? HELP!

Hi Will762,

 

So how does one go about assessing AV amps for their preamp qualities?  Sounds like its going to be the weakest link in the system.

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Marantz recivers are usually quite good with music when run in Pure Direct mode.