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Native_bon wrote:

I dnt agree with bigboss. Not all av recievers are bad at playing to channel music. Unless ur really into seroius listening of Hi res music the difference is not as much as people think. 

That's exactly what I said! Read my post just above yours.

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RE: A V AMP THAT SOUNDS GOOD WITH MUSIC

bigboss wrote:

Native_bon wrote:

I dnt agree with bigboss. Not all av recievers are bad at playing to channel music. Unless ur really into seroius listening of Hi res music the difference is not as much as people think. 

That's exactly what I said! Read my post just above yours.

My mistake. Its all good Wink

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Try a 500 poundish av amp, its a myth about the quality of av amps in stereo not being as good as dedicated stereo amps.

Apart from giving alot more options - anolog or digital inputs, They offer the novelty of DSP functions for your entertainment. Set up is important though to get the best from them, turn all unused channels off, ensure speaker size is set to large and low frequencies are sent to the fronts. And if you want to really listen turn off the DSP effects. You can also bi-amp or bi-wire your front speakers.

AV amps usually have power supplys capable of handling at least  5.1 times 50wpc - it'll handle the dynamic swings in any music you present to it in stereo with more than enough head room.

in my experience while stereo amps do go louder (shouty) a well sorted av amp controls speakers better, you may be impressed with the stereo amp in a short test/demo but in a domestic set up av amps sound fine.

Yamaha usually do AV amps that are very capable in stereo.

I Have a Rotel ra - 1520 and an old Yamaha ax-620....... The yamaha sounds better in stereo....maybe its preference though.

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Thanks for that im lookin at the yam rx v673  but thinking about going up to the yamaha dsp-ax863se at £600.00, theres also a sony and pioneer and onkyo within my budget will give them a listen to .what do you rhink of these.

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I have directly compared my Yamaha rxv2065 and my old arcam a75 amp in 2 channel stereo and IMO the arcam wins hands down hence why I used it in av bypass for a long while.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and at the end of the day what ever sounds best to you is what you should buy. 

Just be warned people are very biased one way or the other and so it really is best to listen and judge for yourself.

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I have recently upgraded my Denon 1910 to the Yamaha RX-V673 and the upgrade in 2 channel music is very noticable.

I have B&W M1 (x5) and a BK XLS200 sub and have set my front speakers to small and listen in 2.1. I have used the microphone to calibrate the speakers and there is a marked improvement.

MP3 quality music is ok but there is a large jump up when I listen to FLAC or CDs, even via my PS3. Even digital radio via freeview sounds better with the yamaha.

I watch a lot of blu rays and play games so an AV amp is essential - if I had the space I would prefer a separate hifi set up but think I have the best set up for a small-ish (4m x 4m) room.

 

 

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rock15 wrote:

Thanks for that im lookin at the yam rx v673  but thinking about going up to the yamaha dsp-ax863se at £600.00, theres also a sony and pioneer and onkyo within my budget will give them a listen to .what do you rhink of these.

 

I'm currently considering the RX673 myself. (trading the ra-1520)

 

I have no experience with the other amps, but like I've said don't dimiss the ability of these amps in 2 channel stereo, also if your CD player has a digital out (coax), use it (its usually a better output than the anolog outs...... compare them, you'll see.)

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If your serious about 2 channel music, I defo go with BB's idea of getting an av amp with pre outs. Your Rotel is a good amp, why waste it!

I've added, via pre outs, a Marantz PM6004 to my award winning (2010) Denon AVR 2310 (£800) recently, and not looked back!

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I'd give Sony's STR-DN1030 a listen. It's as musical as I've heard for the money.

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Try a 500 poundish av amp, its a myth about the quality of av amps in stereo not being as good as dedicated stereo amps.

Apart from giving alot more options - anolog or digital inputs, They offer the novelty of DSP functions for your entertainment. Set up is important though to get the best from them, turn all unused channels off, ensure speaker size is set to large and low frequencies are sent to the fronts. And if you want to really listen turn off the DSP effects. You can also bi-amp or bi-wire your front speakers.

AV amps usually have power supplys capable of handling at least  5.1 times 50wpc - it'll handle the dynamic swings in any music you present to it in stereo with more than enough head room.

in my experience while stereo amps do go louder (shouty) a well sorted av amp controls speakers better, you may be impressed with the stereo amp in a short test/demo but in a domestic set up av amps sound fine.

Yamaha usually do AV amps that are very capable in stereo.

I Have a Rotel ra - 1520 and an old Yamaha ax-620....... The yamaha sounds better in stereo....maybe its preference though.

 

I can only assume this advice is for 2ch. I recon as general advice it may have some contentious issues. Cheers

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I'm currently considering the RX673 myself. (trading the ra-1520)

 

I have no experience with the other amps, but like I've said don't dimiss the ability of these amps in 2 channel stereo, also if your CD player has a digital out (coax), use it (its usually a better output than the anolog outs...... compare them, you'll see.)

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When using a marantz cd6003 I found the sound was better via analogue(using the marantz dac) as opposed to via coax (using the Yamaha dac). It had more bass, clearer treble and a larger sound stage. 

What do you feel is better about the rxv673 compared to your ra-1520?

I had a rotel amp and although it was good I prefer a smoother sound as I found it was very energetic. My brother now uses it in his rotel/mission system and he loves it. For me arcam deliverers the sound I like maybe for you it's Yamaha.

Just my views and experiences as usual and I respect yours also.

 

Cheers

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hy when you oversee the last reaction you hear people who thinks that amplification makes all the difference and others who advice you 

to buy an 500 euro receiver and that this one should be as good as anything others on two channels music 

i have been listening to a nad receiver and pioneer lx 86...

one thing i am shure off is that all brands have their owne interpretation of what sonic performance should be ...

me i could hear a enormous difference but can not tell you which of both sounded best ...just different ...

one thing i am pretty shure of is that amplification opens upp your speakers .....so good amplification 

take advantage off your full speaker potential .....so it is a mythe that high end does not exist ....

is like tasting wine ....you don't have to be a wine specialist to taste good wine ...it wil speak for himself 

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I'm currently considering the RX673 myself. (trading the ra-1520)

 

I have no experience with the other amps, but like I've said don't dimiss the ability of these amps in 2 channel stereo, also if your CD player has a digital out (coax), use it (its usually a better output than the anolog outs...... compare them, you'll see.)

 

When using a marantz cd6003 I found the sound was better via analogue(using the marantz dac) as opposed to via coax (using the Yamaha dac). It had more bass, clearer treble and a larger sound stage. 

What do you feel is better about the rxv673 compared to your ra-1520?

I had a rotel amp and although it was good I prefer a smoother sound as I found it was very energetic. My brother now uses it in his rotel/mission system and he loves it. For me arcam deliverers the sound I like maybe for you it's Yamaha.

Just my views and experiences as usual and I respect yours also.

 

Cheers

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I agree, I do believe my preference is the yamaha 'sound'. I too found the rotel too agressive (energetic) which has not calmed with time. I also found its 'stereo' performance is not so great in terms of producing a 3d sound and small detail/nuances low level frequencies which rob music of weight and depth

If fast paced music hard charging stuff is your thing it is a good amp, its a young persons amp, not for the more mature pallette, but thats my opinion though.

using QED performance 2 and chord crimson (my preference is the QED)

 With regard anolog v coax this could be down to the dac in the reciever, in the yamaha I own the sound is far better via coax, its better seperated more detailed and accurate, no splash on the high end or over hang on the lower end, quieter too in the backgoround, it sounds really clean no hiss (its hard to explain that last one) but the QED quinex1 (25pounds)I believe was a major contributor its a truely superb coax for music, sounding better than the QED75 (50pounds)