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 (I blame Nokia for it, who had the capability to make significantly better phones, but was content to make only slightly better phones with each product refresh).

Ironically, it feels a little like this with apple and the iPhone now. It's so succesful they daren't come up with anything ground breaking and new. 

I say that as someone who has had iPhones since the iPhone 2, and can't see myself having anything else in the near future. I see the mockups etc for the iPhone 5, and just think 'meh'.

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Yeah!  They revolutionised the WORLD 5 years ago but what have they done for me lately?!!!

 

Seriously though, big shifts like this don't happen often.  It will be incremental stuff for another few years.  What has anyone else done other than bigger numbers and specs?  The next big shift will be someone making NFC actually useable, but the phone will look the same.  I look forward to it, I dislike wallets.

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Whilst I too believe they are being a little rash with the law suits, to say they haven't invented anything is a little harsh. 

 

actually, no, it's not harsh I'm afraid.  If you look at Apple since Steve Wozniak left (Steve Wozniak was a genius) then apple have invented not much.  Only thing I can possibly think of is maybe the unibody style laptop body....

 

seriously, have a look and all those things people think apple invented, I think you may be surprised to find out they didn't!

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Well, they invented the iPhone? Which was the most revolutionary phone of it's time and probably had all other manufacturers going "right, best pull our fingers out". 

 

They may not have been the first to make a touch screen phone, or "apps" or MP3 players, or portable internet surfing devices. But they were certainly the first to put them all into an easy to use, desirable phone. If it had all been invented before, why didn't nokia or the others do it? Because either they thought they had a chance to drag their feet as the market came to a standstill, or because they simply didn't think of it. Apple, to me, have been the most revolutionary company in portable media in the last decade. Whether you class revolutionary as a physical component on a product that you must invent, or just the invention of a product, which is after all what we buy. There's a reason iThings are so successful, and it's because they are very good at what they do. 

 

It's sort of like saying a chef didn't invent his signiture dish because he didn't also create every ingredient in it. 

 

As for the unibody thing, fair point, can't actually think of something that didn't exist in one guise or another previously. But apparently nobody else looked at these things and thought "yeah I'll use that". It was all free and open information (then). 

 

Perhaps what we can say apple "invented" is some brilliant products, customer service (in my experience). In my opinion the best operating system around (yes it's based on unix but I think they've done enough to it to call it their own). 

 

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edited from original comment to expand stuff Smile

 

Ryan92 wrote:

Well, they invented the iPhone? Which was the most revolutionary phone of it's time and probably had all other manufacturers going "right, best pull our fingers out". 

 

They created the iphone, not invented it.  They didn't even invent the name as it was previously in use and had to pay monies to get it, also with the operating system name ios.

 

Agreed it was a wake up call to other handset manufacturers, but defintely not in the realm of invented as much as naims new amps are "invented".  It's an improvement on a design and components that are already out there.

 

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They may not have been the first to make a touch screen phone, or "apps" or MP3 players, or portable internet surfing devices. But they were certainly the first to put them all into an easy to use, desirable phone. If it had all been invented before, why didn't nokia or the others do it?

 

Other manufacturers were doing it though.  It was the marketing that made it desirable...

 

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 Because either they thought they had a chance to drag their feet as the market came to a standstill, or because they simply didn't think of it.

again, like I say, it had already been done.

 

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Apple, to me, have been the most revolutionary company in portable media in the last decade.

actually, I'd argue that ARM the chipmaker take that honor given most of the portable stuff uses their chipsets.

 

Ryan92 wrote:
 Whether you class revolutionary as a physical component on a product that you must invent, or just the invention of a product, which is after all what we buy.

Too many uses of the word invent there and crossed meanings. 

 

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 There's a reason iThings are so successful, and it's because they are very good at what they do. 

 

some are, some aren't.  It depends what you want to use them for.  One example is my gran can use my ipad, but I can't just plug it in and copy over my mp3's.  One the one hand good, on the other bad.  It's all subjective.

 

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It's sort of like saying a chef didn't invent his signiture dish because he didn't also create every ingredient in it. 

 

not really.  That's a chef, we are talking about technology.  I don't often see silicon chips growing on trees.  Sorry, I tend to not use analogies as I find people only tend to use them when trying to prove their point.  Stick with the medium we are dealing in, makes it easier.

 

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As for the unibody thing, fair point, can't actually think of something that didn't exist in one guise or another previously. But apparently nobody else looked at these things and thought "yeah I'll use that". It was all free and open information (then). 
 

It wasn't free and open.  See my point above about Apple using pre-registered names and technologies.

 

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Perhaps what we can say apple "invented" is some brilliant products, customer service (in my experience). In my opinion the best operating system around (yes it's based on unix but I think they've done enough to it to call it their own).  

Again subjective.  And as you just said, based on Unix.  Did you ever try Mac os10, the last os they invented??  It was crap.  But no, they haven't done enough to call it their own.  It's based on freebsd.  Apple have created some brilliant products, true, but what they excel in is marketing and design, and that's what feeds peoples desires.  It still saddens me that a lot of people think apple invented the mp3 player Sad

 

 

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look at it how you want, Apple very rarely invent anything.  They rely on the technologies of others, put them in a shiny metal box then hand it over to the marketing department.

Precisely what almost the entire hi-fi industry has been doing since stereo (1931 Alan Blumlein/EMI), the LP (Columbia Records 1948) and the CD (Sony/Philips 1974 - 1982).

There were a few other inventions along the way (transistors & thermionic valves for instance) but they weren't necessarily for hi-fi originally or invented by hi-fi companies. (A lot of it was for the Cinema or telecommunications, or spin-offs from Radar and radio transmission or from GPO engineers helping WW2 codebreakers by inventing the electronic computer, or lots of other examples where someone relied 'on the technologies of others, put them in a shiny metal box' etc.)

You limit yourself a wee bit if you insist on products only from companies who invented them. (You could only have a Mercedes Benz if you wanted a new car and - if you wanted a new computer - you'd be screwed because BT don't make them.)

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Precisely what almost the entire hi-fi industry has been doing since stereo (1931 Alan Blumlein/EMI), the LP (Columbia Records 1948) and the CD (Sony/Philips 1974 - 1982).

 

I agree.  But we wouldn't say that rega invented the cd player because they happen to bring out an awesome one with flashing lights would we?

 

chebby wrote:

There were a few other inventions along the way (transistors & thermionic valves for instance) but they weren't necessarily for hi-fi originally or invented by hi-fi companies. (A lot of it was for the Cinema or telecommunications, or spin-offs from Radar and radio transmission or from GPO engineers helping WW2 codebreakers by inventing the electronic computer, or lots of other examples where someone relied 'on the technologies of others, put them in a shiny metal box' etc.)

 

Again, I agree, and you can see it happening now with HiFi comanpies doing the same with computer equipment.

 

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You limit yourself a wee bit if you insist on products only from companies who invented them.

 

Not really sure what that means as I've never said anything about insisting on products from companies who invented them.  Am just bored of the apple invented (insert previously available product here) rhetoric.

 

 

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There is no doubt that Apple has led the biggest revolution in the last decade.

1) MP3 players were made before the iPod, but it was the iPod which ignited the market exponentially.

2) Touch screen phones were made before the iPhone, but again, it was the iPhone which ignited the market exponentially.

3) Tablets were attempted by many manufacturers which were all rubbish. Yet again, it was the iPad which ignited the market exponentially. Microsoft had a great chance to lead this sector, but it blew it.

Apple is singlehandedly responsible for manufacturers the world over to pull their socks up & make high quality products, or die out. Even ARM chips that you argue wouldn't have existed if it were not for Apple. Eventually we may have got there, but not so quickly. The iPhone was leagues ahead of the rest when it was launched which forced others to revamp their entire product line up.

Invention isn't the single most important thing; its implementation is equally important.

That doesn't deviate from the fact that Apple has become a bully.  Smile

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Ryan92 wrote:
Apple, to me, have been the most revolutionary company in portable media in the last decade.

actually, I'd argue that ARM the chipmaker take that honor given most of the portable stuff uses their chipsets.

ARM was a joint venture between Acorn, Apple and VLSI.  So you're both right!

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There is no doubt that Apple has led the biggest revolution in the last decade.

1) MP3 players were made before the iPod, but it was the iPod which ignited the market exponentially.

2) Touch screen phones were made before the iPhone, but again, it was the iPhone which ignited the market exponentially.

3) Tablets were attempted by many manufacturers which were all rubbish. Yet again, it was the iPad which ignited the market exponentially. Microsoft had a great chance to lead this sector, but it blew it.

Apple is singlehandedly responsible for manufacturers the world over to pull their socks up & make high quality products, or die out. Even ARM chips that you argue wouldn't have existed if it were not for Apple. Eventually we may have got there, but not so quickly. The iPhone was leagues ahead of the rest when it was launched which forced others to revamp their entire product line up.

Invention isn't the single most important thing; its implementation is equally important.

That doesn't deviate from the fact that Apple has become a bully.  Smile

y'see now that I would agree with Smile  And I do agree that implementation is very important too, just so long as people can recognise it as that, and not as invention.  Hell, to quote Steve jobs himself... "".. Picasso had a saying 'Good artists copy, great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

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cheeseboy wrote:

Ryan92 wrote:
Apple, to me, have been the most revolutionary company in portable media in the last decade.

actually, I'd argue that ARM the chipmaker take that honor given most of the portable stuff uses their chipsets.

ARM was a joint venture between Acorn, Apple and VLSI.  So you're both right!

 

of course, my bad.  Yey, we both right Dance 4  :grin:

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What the new iphone needs is double or triple battery life!

Match the Blackberry, Apple?

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cheeseboy wrote:

Ryan92 wrote:
Apple, to me, have been the most revolutionary company in portable media in the last decade.

actually, I'd argue that ARM the chipmaker take that honor given most of the portable stuff uses their chipsets.

ARM was a joint venture between Acorn, Apple and VLSI.  So you're both right!

 

Apple came in later:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Acorn_RISC_Machine:_ARM2

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And so it begins! Come and join in, you know you want to.  Smile

We'll post the best comments on the news story in to the live blog, so please do get involved. Positive and negative Wink

The action proper starts at 6pm...

http://www.whathifi.com/news/iphone-5-launch-live

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Joe Cox wrote:

The action proper starts at 6pm...

http://www.whathifi.com/news/iphone-5-launch-live

Some sites are saying 6pm GMT, can you confirm that it's BST?

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