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4G - What the hell is going on?

I would like to ask people that are far more clued up on this (and that includes WHF mods/editors) what the deal is with all this?

Here are the facts as I currently see them:

The iPhone 5 is supporting 4G - and this includes some of the spectrum the UK will be using (I understand there will be a number of 'spectrums' that each network provider will use).

I've heard that it will support only the specturm that Everything Everywhere (EE) will be broadcasting and that any of the other spectrums that will be used as/when O2/VF/Three bid for the remainder will not be accessible to the iPhone 5.

Is that correct???  Is it likely to mean that if you are on a 2 year iPhone 5 contract with any of the 3 providers above, you're stuck to getting any 4G benefit?  Or, will it be a simple case of a 'software update' for Apple to release to allow the antena in the phone to access the extra spectrums?

I would also like some considered opinions on why, or rather, how EE have managed to gain this obvious competetive advantage over the other 3 providers in this set up?  If the above is correct, to me, EE have a complete monopoly on the iPhone 5 as it stands.

Now I understand that originally O2 had the iPhone for a number of months before other networks, but this was 'back in the day' and now it has been made available for all networks. 

Am I missing something?  4G is going to be a massive step forward (albeit a belated one compared to other countries) for the UK... committing to a new piece of tech like the iPhone 5 when you can't use that seems a pointless exercise!! 

Thoughts please boys and girls - I'm ready to be educated!!

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3 did exactly the same when the 3g network was launched, so absolutely no difference there.  It's all about greasing palms as it were.

 

as for if the iphone 5 will work with any of them properly, who knows, apple have already had their knuckles wrapped about advertising 4g compatibility when it wasn't compatible...

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The 5 is compatible with most sensible spectrums, unfortunately our networks are not.

If you are on Orange or Tmobile (soon to become EE) you will have 4G LTE if you live in a large metropolitan area.  Not sure what the roll out times are.

If you are on 02, the best you can hope for is Dual Cell HSDPA which although not true 4G, is still pretty snazzy.

If you are on Vodafone, the best you can hope for is HSPA+ (same as 4S)  which is not too shabby.  Even on HSPA+ the processor power and improved antennae design should give you a noticeable browsing boost.

Apple were naughty with the iPad, but they seemed to have learned from that mistake.  Any disappointment will be in the carriers hands now.

 

This is a good article:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/13/4g_iphone/

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And it looks like you can't sign straight up for EE 4G either, according to this news story

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RE: 4G - What the hell is going on?

PJ1200 wrote:

I've heard that it will support only the specturm that Everything Everywhere (EE) will be broadcasting and that any of the other spectrums that will be used as/when O2/VF/Three bid for the remainder will not be accessible to the iPhone 5.

 

You are 100% correct. The Iphone5 will not work on the 800Mhz +2.6Ghz LTE frequencies that are due to be rolled out across the UK & Europe as standard, so will only work on certain networks eg EE.

(Still, its better than the new Ipad which is not LTE compatible at all in UK & Europe).

 

Android LTE phones on the other hand are compatible with the 800Mhz +2.6Ghz frequencies.

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AnotherJoe wrote:

PJ1200 wrote:

I've heard that it will support only the specturm that Everything Everywhere (EE) will be broadcasting and that any of the other spectrums that will be used as/when O2/VF/Three bid for the remainder will not be accessible to the iPhone 5.

 

You are 100% correct. The Iphone5 will not work on the 800Mhz +2.6Ghz LTE frequencies that are due to be rolled out across the UK & Europe as standard, so will only work on certain networks eg EE.

(Still, its better than the new Ipad which is not LTE compatible at all in UK & Europe).

 

Android LTE phones on the other hand are compatible with the 800Mhz +2.6Ghz frequencies.

Which will come first, Vodafone having a solid LTE network or iPhone 6?  I bet one Cadburys Creme egg its the iPhone 6... 

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I'm still waiting on vodaphone coming up with a half decent 3G network.

On the upside when Voda and 02 are LTE ready Apple will no doubt release a newtork specific model like they did with the AT&T and Verizon.

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Tonestar1 wrote:

I'm still waiting on vodaphone coming up with a half decent 3G network.

I guess it depends which part of the country you're in, but I have no issues with it (south west London area), but even when I'm travelling to offices in and around Hemel and Reading, I generally get a good 3G signal.

 

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professorhat wrote:

Tonestar1 wrote:

I'm still waiting on vodaphone coming up with a half decent 3G network.

I guess it depends which part of the country you're in, but I have no issues with it (south west London area), but even when I'm travelling to offices in and around Hemel and Reading, I generally get a good 3G signal.

 

Hi prof, long time no chat. Eh I suppose I'm being a little unfair. I'm just unlucky that when I was in London I couldn't get a signal in my flat (East London). Now I'm back in Glasgow, I can't get one in this flat either! It's usually not too bad when I'm out and about though.

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Indeed - hope things are good!

Actually, I had the exactly the same with O2 - moved to Surbiton and couldn't get a signal in my flat (had been fine in Croydon) and several other spots around the town. Other friends who've come to visit who were on O2 got the same as well, so looked like it was just a black spot on their network.

That's the thing really - you just have to look for the right network for your area. When you move, if it doesn't work, just have to hope you haven't got long left on your contract (one of the reasons I've now moved to a 30 day rolling PAYG SIM with Vodafone so I can move easily if I need to).

You could look at their Sure Signal device - my Dad uses it and it boosts his Vodafone signal out in the wilds of Lincolnshire.

 

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professorhat wrote:

You could look at their Sure Signal device - my Dad uses it and it boosts his Vodafone signal out in the wilds of Lincolnshire.

I've got one. While the signal is excellent in the house, it's annoying that the signal remains poor in the vicinity! Every other network has a strong signal here.

I'll be moving to Giff Gaff when my contract runs out in a couple of months (thanks to Big Aura for the heads up!)

http://giffgaff.com/

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bigboss wrote:

professorhat wrote:

You could look at their Sure Signal device - my Dad uses it and it boosts his Vodafone signal out in the wilds of Lincolnshire.

I've got one. While the signal is excellent in the house, it's annoying that the signal remains poor in the vicinity! Every other network has a strong signal here.

I'll be moving to Giff Gaff when my contract runs out in a couple of months (thanks to Big Aura for the heads up!)

http://giffgaff.com/

Cheers. I would but I'm out of contract now so will be looking at moving to ee for an iphone 5 with LTE assuming the don't take the proverbial with the price plans.

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Tonestar1 wrote:

bigboss wrote:

professorhat wrote:

You could look at their Sure Signal device - my Dad uses it and it boosts his Vodafone signal out in the wilds of Lincolnshire.

I've got one. While the signal is excellent in the house, it's annoying that the signal remains poor in the vicinity! Every other network has a strong signal here.

I'll be moving to Giff Gaff when my contract runs out in a couple of months (thanks to Big Aura for the heads up!)

http://giffgaff.com/

Cheers. I would but I'm out of contract now so will be looking at moving to ee for an iphone 5 with LTE assuming the don't take the proverbial with the price plans.

 

Which is may well do, given it has pretty much exclusivity of the '4G' network currently!! 

The other networks of course will get the LTE sprectrum when they 'bid' for it next year.  Just hope if I get an iPhone 5 on, say, an O2 contract, it will be easy to get the updated spectrum as and when they get it.  No doubt these contracts will be on a 24 month term, so that is a long time to wait if you don't get decent 4G.

Also - as I understand it O2 has the best 3G coverage in London over any other network, but again, there will be spots where it is unavailable! 

It would also appear that EE have not got the 4G network part up just yet due to some possible legal action... but I don't really know more than that... we'll have to wait and see.

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RE: 4G - What the hell is going on?

If you can afford to, buy an unlocked phone up front.  It usually works out similar in cost, and you can move networks however you please. 

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Paul Hobbs wrote:

If you can afford to, buy an unlocked phone up front.  It usually works out similar in cost, and you can move networks however you please. 

In my experience, it actually works out cheaper to buy a phone upfront.

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