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I tend towards the same view, that USB cables don't make any difference. I did however read an engineer's analysis in another forum somewhere (wish I could remember where) that said there could be differences depending on how it was being used.
The essence of it was that 0's and 1's are indeed the same. However if the USB cable is being used to transmit power as well then it could make a difference as this is an analogue function. That makes sense. Unfortunately I'm not 100% sure what the other factor was - whether it was Asynch or not rings a bell (asynch = no difference). If that's right then he said that a USB cable being used between computer and a powered asynch DAC would make no difference. Conversely a USB powered non-asynch DAC could IN THEORY benefit from a better cable. It was a very objective assessment, and wasn't arguing that cable did make a difference, big or small. Just that in some circumstances they could.
The DAC that I used has a seperate cable for powering it up. But I still heard differences by switching the USB cables around. I did some recordings just to serve as refences. You can try those recording out yourself and let me know whether you heard any differences.
And since we are just consumer and not engineer, why not just indulge ourself with the result without digging so depth into the theories.
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Just my half-pennies worth but the Chord USB Silver Plus cable gave the Vertere and others a right kicking in a recent review in a well known hi-fi publication.
I am not advocating you actually go and spend that much on a USB cable thhough.
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it's ok to give some recommendations. but i will settle down with the Furutech GT2 and DH Labs Silversonic for now.
I'm interested to know how you did that and not have the results influenced by whatever you used to record the output. Did you record the digital output from your DAC to a seperate recorder? Not having a dig, just genuinely interested to know.
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hi, if u really go through the details in my blog, you will find that i stated that i just recorded it using my phone. it is just to serve as references and do not represent live listening condition. since my blog is just for casual and not professional, so I don't really intend to do anything extra cause I believe these recordings are already enough to serve as references.
anyway just a side note, I don't really have golden ear and having hard time to differentiate 320kbps mp3 vs loseless wave. but i heard significant different between that 3 usb cables and also when i change my speaker cable from cable talk to kimber kable.
here a quote from my blog:
"I am thinking maybe the rapid growth and improvement on the DAC market bring forth to this long debate. If you think that USB cable do not make any differences with your old and maybe expensive DAC, just try to borrow a latest model DAC that cost at least RM3k to test it out. Maybe the result will be different."
there is no better way than test it out with your own ear
I just listened to the free cable v the DH labs cable on my phone and they sounded the same to me.
hi ben, there are people from time to time that said cant hear any differences due to the poor recording but i am lazy to get a better recording just try to turn up the volume a little bit
so how is the free cable vs the furutech gt2? for the dh lab cable part try focus more on the vocal and maybe you will notice that the vocal is a little cold and far back and also lack of dynamic expression
and anyway as I said in my first post, I am dissapointed with the current USB cable quality and price. take the same amount of money and upgrade the analogue interconnect and it give better improvement. take the same amount of money and upgrade the speaker cable and it give even better improvement. that is the world, no equality...
thanks for taking the time to do the recordings, but I really couldn't hear any difference.
when you do the blind testing with other people, did you say you'd changed the cable, but in fact didn't? That's usually the test that most people fall over on and therefore puts in to doubt any differences people may hear between cables.
Either way, so long as you are enjoying your music then
hi, yes we did that and we even go further after get acquisted to the cable characteristic which is we random switch in the cable for 10 times and guess which cable is being used. and the dh labs cable stand out the most among the three as I said the vocal is totally cold and being push to the back. it also lack the dynamic expression and sound alot quiter also.
to be telling the truth, I am not quite satisfy with the music yet. I am having high expectation that the DAC could rival cd player performance. but to my dissapointed experience, the CEC cd player still perform better than my current DAC. well, the cd player price do double my current DAC price.
After quite a lot said that the recordings are bad and request for better recording, I went and bought a cheap adapter and hook the signal straight from my amplifier headphone out to my computer line in and recorded using windows sound recorder. After finshed my first recording and listened back to confirm no error, to my surprise that recording is actually quite bad. Although the sound and music is clearer but many details is lost especially the bass is almost non existing and the dynamic expression is totally gone. And when the song go to the chorus part, the sound straight away get noisy. Thought was the adapter problem but it was working fine when i plug my headphone in. So it seem to be that my onboard line in is unable to fully capture what is reproduce by my amplifier. So the recording still remain the same XD
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