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The Shining tonight for me,

The Shining tonight for me, seeing as its Stanley's birthday...

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

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The Shining tonight for me, seeing as its Stanley's birthday...

I'm about to watch As If I Am Not There, so I might need to watch The Shining afterwards to cheer myself up.  Smile

Happy birthday Mr Kubrick.  Drinks

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I'd cheer myself up with Full

I'd cheer myself up with Full Metal Jacket, I'm thinking the last scene from training and the finding the sniper scene. 

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BenLaw wrote:

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I'd cheer myself up with Full Metal Jacket, I'm thinking the last scene from training and the finding the sniper scene. 

I considered it, but I opted for a music session of Radiohead and Red House Painters..  Yahoo

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Anyway, I've now watched the

Anyway, I've now watched the film, and I suppose whoever is to blame, sorry, I mean whoever nominated the film should now start the discussion. 

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I think that's Mike. The

I think that's Mike. The discussion should be interesting, as I'm finding it hard to justify why I think something like Snowtown is a great film whereas I found this an ordeal. 

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Snowtown's brilliant.

Snowtown's brilliant.

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

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Anyway, I've now watched the film, and I suppose whoever is to blame, sorry, I mean whoever nominated the film should now start the discussion. 

With that build-up, I shall prepare my initial post carefully. Drinks

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expat_mike wrote:

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

Anyway, I've now watched the film, and I suppose whoever is to blame, sorry, I mean whoever nominated the film should now start the discussion. 

With that build-up, I shall prepare my initial post carefully. Drinks

I was just joking Mike, it's a good film, just a little hard going with the subject matter.

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

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expat_mike wrote:

BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

Anyway, I've now watched the film, and I suppose whoever is to blame, sorry, I mean whoever nominated the film should now start the discussion. 

With that build-up, I shall prepare my initial post carefully. Drinks

I was just joking Mike, it's a good film, just a little hard going with the subject matter.

Yes I knew you were tongue-in-cheek, and I agree that the subject matter was rather grim.

When I select my nominations, I try and keep several factors in mind including:

1 - Am I interested in seeing the film?

2 - Is the film likely to have elements to it, that can trigger/sustain a group discussion? (these elements can include subject matter, film-making style, directoral style, film-making artistic movement etc)

3 - Are the other club members likely to want to watch the film? (if the answer to this question is no, then the nomination is likely to be voted into third place, so probably best not to nominate the film in the first place)

4 - Do the nominations have a common theme? (this is a nice-to-have, rather than a must-have consideration)

So I felt the film satisfied the first two criteria, but was not sure about the third.

Anyway to whet appetites, when I first watched the film, my first thoughts were that it was rather grim, and would the other club members enjoy it more, and was there anything to discuss? However the more I thought about what I had seen, and then read what other people had written about it on the web, I realised that there are aspects of the film to discuss.

These I shall write about in due course. Biggrin

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Finally got around to

Finally got around to watching a DVD I've owned for a few years tonight. 

I won't say much, as it's on the possible list for my next film choices, but if it doesn't make it to the list, I think it's most definitely worth seeing, especially as there's an American remake in the offing.  Stop

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806/?ref_=tt_rec_tt

 

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expat_mike wrote:

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Yes I knew you were tongue-in-cheek, and I agree that the subject matter was rather grim.

When I select my nominations, I try and keep several factors in mind including:

1 - Am I interested in seeing the film?

2 - Is the film likely to have elements to it, that can trigger/sustain a group discussion? (these elements can include subject matter, film-making style, directoral style, film-making artistic movement etc)

3 - Are the other club members likely to want to watch the film? (if the answer to this question is no, then the nomination is likely to be voted into third place, so probably best not to nominate the film in the first place)

4 - Do the nominations have a common theme? (this is a nice-to-have, rather than a must-have consideration)

So I felt the film satisfied the first two criteria, but was not sure about the third.

Anyway to whet appetites, when I first watched the film, my first thoughts were that it was rather grim, and would the other club members enjoy it more, and was there anything to discuss? However the more I thought about what I had seen, and then read what other people had written about it on the web, I realised that there are aspects of the film to discuss.

These I shall write about in due course. Biggrin

The only criteria I have for choosing my films are:

1. Do I think it's a good film?

2. Do I think others should see it?

I try to avoid any kind of common theme, or language, infact, one of my possible choices next time will be a rather controversial choice, as it's in English, and the reviews of the film are either in the love it or hate it camp, very little in the middle ground. I'm obviously in the love it camp.

Anyway Mike, we're waiting for you to kick the discussion off.

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I'm a bit of a hybrid between

I'm a bit of a hybrid between the two of you. Definitely BBB's two but I've learned from my book club that a good film alone isn't the best film for a club, as there's got to be something to discuss there, not just six people going 'yeah, that was good'. Fortunately BBB's choices (and some other recommendations of his I've watched) have also had the 'discussability' element!

 

Anyway, I'm also waiting on more from Mike. 

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As If I am not there

I will try and start the discussion off.

When I finished the film, I felt a bit dumbstruck, because the film itself was pretty grim, and I was unsure how the rest of the members would react.

But now that I have read a bit more, and thought a bit more about the film, I see that there is more to it.

This is a film of a book, written from listening to the trials of some of the key players involved in what was one of the most unpleasant conflicts in modern history. Consequently althought it is "fictional", it is not "overly fictional" And yet the film and book are structured differently. The film starts at the very beginning, and finishes with Samira realising that by keeping the baby, she has a chance to make good things come, from all the evil that went on. So in simple terms, it is the storyline of forgiveness and hope, coming from unspeakable evil. In contrast the book starts with Samira already escaped to Sweden, and presumably uses flashbacks of the past events, to support her gradual change of mind from abortion (foetus too old), via adoption, to eventually wanting to keep the baby, and bring hope. I wonder if that is a more interesting structure to tell this story, rather than the film structure.

For a while, I had not realised that Samira had escaped to Sweden, which makes me question whether a couple of minutes of film could have been added, making clear the act of fleeing.

I don't think the portrayal of many acts in the film, could have been anything but grim. And they do bring out the soldiers inhumanity to innocent people caught up in the conflight. And yet we should not be surprised - One of the first acts of propagandists, is to portray the opposing tribe/village/country as populated by beings no better than animals. It quickly becomes easy to persuade soldiers to kill/torture/rape the other side, because in the soldiers minds they are not dealing with people, but sub-humans. This has been the practice of propagandists for centuries, and shows no sign of disappearing.

Well that starts things of, hopefully one of you will have something to add. Bye

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Thanks Mike. I think that's a

Thanks Mike. I think that's a good way to kick off he discussion. I think any disagreement about the merits of the film may boil down to this sentence:

 

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So in simple terms, it is the storyline of forgiveness and hope, coming from unspeakable evil.

 

If one sees the film like that, I can see why someone might like it. I didn't get that from the film. I thought there was a nice, almost pastoral, section of the film at the beginning. I then felt almost all of the film was a miserable, bleak ordeal. And the concluding scenes felt tacked on and unrelated to the ordeal. I never saw coming that it was going to be that film about whether you keep a bay conceived by rape. And if it was going to be that film, I thought the emotions and considerations were criminally underdone. As I say, it felt tacked on. Given what you say about the book, it makes sense now why it was tacked on at the end, but for me it didn't put what happened earlier in context, nor did it have enough for me to get inside someone's head about having to make that sort of decision. The book structure, and no doubt length and detail, does indeed sound preferable.

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