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cable sceptics give us your experiences !

calling all cable sceptics, please detail your experiences with expensive cables and hence give reason for your scepticism weight !

include mains as well as interconnect/speaker cables tested including models tried plus models currently in use in your system.

please only reply if you have tried more expensive offereings giving your actual experiences - no comedians who have not tried pricer cables thanks !

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Mike, you are a brave fellow.

Mike, you are a brave fellow. :grin:

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

i know, but this hi fi game seems to be the blind leading the blind - so many different answers to the same questions !

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

What cables do you use Mike?

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

If you "know" cables don't make a difference, then, by and large, you won't waste your time listening.......and if by any chance, you do happen to hear a difference, it will be put down to placebo / expectation bias (as it's "impossible").

This thread can only head in one direction.  :shifty:

Since I'm in the other camp, I'm now going to beat a hasty retreat.  Wink

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mikefarrow wrote: calling all

mikefarrow wrote:

calling all cable sceptics, please detail your experiences with expensive cables and hence give reason for your scepticism weight !

include mains as well as interconnect/speaker cables tested including models tried plus models currently in use in your system.

please only reply if you have tried more expensive offereings giving your actual experiences - no comedians who have not tried pricer cables thanks !


Do you have to try something to know it doesn't work?

I remember Isaac Asimov wrote about people who sent him models for perpetual motion machines. He didn't look at them because he knew they didn't (couldn't) work. It's that strange thing called knowledge, once acquired it can save you from making many mistakes. Dirol
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RE: mikefarrow wrote: calling all

If you've bought expensive cables you've wasted your money, all cables sound the same, you would be better off donating to charity.

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

i use various cables by kimber/russ andrews currently.

(i have used the russ andrews upgrade scheme several times which is why i choose them in the first place )

overall, there does not seem to be any link between the cost of the cable and its performance in a system - indeed with my system, the more expensive (kimber) cables dont equal a better sound (which it should as why spend the extra ?), just a different sound. just wondering if other users have experienced this with their systems !

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RE: mikefarrow wrote: calling all

thanks for your reply simon ! i started my system using "basic" £5 per m speaker cable - 5 star rated aswell !

after lending some much thicker woven cable (kimber) i was shocked to a hear the improvement, mainly how the bass output doubled in depth and became more tuneful !

so much for all cables sounding the same !

 

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

Any sound changes you hear from swapping mains cables are entirely in your imagination. You don't need to try them to know that, you just need to know how electronics works. Also the electrical characteristics of expensive interconnects and speaker wire, and hence the sound, are easily duplicated in very inexpensive cables.

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

An Intresting qoute from The Complete Guide to High-End Audio by Robert Harley (Chapter 11 page 279 )   :read:

Good cables merely allow the system's component to perform at their highest level; they won't make a poor system or bad component match sound good. Start with a high-quality , well-chosen system and select cables and interconnects that allow that system to achieve its highest musical performance. Remember , a cable or interconnect can't actually effect an absolute improvement in the sound; the good ones merely do less harm.

Hi Fi : Proac Studio 140MK2 > Rotel RC 1580 > Rotel RB 1582 > Rotel RCD 1520 > B&W P7 >Tellurium Q cables   

 

 

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I may be deeply sceptical,

I may be deeply sceptical, but I do believe that cables can sound different, particularly speaker cables.

Sure it takes something way out of the norm to produce an audible difference and in the main, any change of sufficient magnitude to be heard will be a frequency response variation, ie a slightly brighter cable will resolve more HF detail, add 'sparkle', greater air etc. That you can achieve pretty much the same effect with the delicate application of tone controls does not seem to figure in the argument.

I think connectors and connections can make a difference too but only when poorly implemented or when they become degraded over time.

Having taken part in third party blind tests, I am totally convinced that all cables of a 'normal' construction and properly terminated are, to all intents, audibly identical but to take that as saying that all cables sound exactly the same is, for me, a step too far.

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RE: mikefarrow wrote: calling all

mikefarrow wrote:

thanks for your reply simon ! i started my system using "basic" £5 per m speaker cable - 5 star rated aswell !

after lending some much thicker woven cable (kimber) i was shocked to a hear the improvement, mainly how the bass output doubled in depth and became more tuneful !

so much for all cables sounding the same !

 

 

The price you paid for the first set is largely irrelevant. The second ones are thicker and therefore have lower resistance. That will be why they sound better.

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

thanks for your input trevc !

when i swapped the free "kettle lead" cable on my intergrated amp for a much thicker russ andrews signature cable the sound improved in all areas but mainly in the bass output of my system which became louder/fuller (?)

this is apparently due to the lower resistance that this thicker cable has hence it supplies the amp with power more easily.

wether this is true/the actual reason, i wouldnt know - i just know that this mains cable performs better than the free one !

 

 

 

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

mikefarrow wrote:

thanks for your input trevc !

when i swapped the free "kettle lead" cable on my intergrated amp for a much thicker russ andrews signature cable the sound improved in all areas but mainly in the bass output of my system which became louder/fuller (?)

this is apparently due to the lower resistance that this thicker cable has hence it supplies the amp with power more easily.

wether this is true/the actual reason, i wouldnt know - i just know that this mains cable performs better than the free one !

 

No, what you know is that you perceive it sounds better.

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RE: Mike, you are a brave fellow.

mikefarrow wrote:

thanks for your input trevc !

when i swapped the free "kettle lead" cable on my intergrated amp for a much thicker russ andrews signature cable the sound improved in all areas but mainly in the bass output of my system which became louder/fuller (?)

this is apparently due to the lower resistance that this thicker cable has hence it supplies the amp with power more easily.

wether this is true/the actual reason, i wouldnt know - i just know that this mains cable performs better than the free one !

 

It's called the placebo effect.

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