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RE: Mains cables

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Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

Matt

 

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RE: Mains cables

TrevC wrote:

matt49 wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

Matt

 

Our scientific knowledge is complete in such matters. 

Scientific knowledge is never complete!  However the physics of transmission in cables is pretty well understood (even if my professor couldn't beat it into my head 40 years ago).  I doubt that a hifi company is going to come up with anything new.

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TrevC wrote:

matt49 wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

Matt

Our scientific knowledge is complete in such matters. 

If even 10% of Quantum Physics is correct, then a mains cable making a difference is not beyond the bounds of feasibility.  :twisted:

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CnoEvil wrote:

TrevC wrote:

matt49 wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

Matt

Our scientific knowledge is complete in such matters. 

If even 10% of Quantum Physics is correct, then a mains cable making a difference is not beyond the bounds of feasibility.  :twisted:

Now you have annoyed me!  What do you mean "If only 10% of Quantum Physics is correct ..."?  Quantum Physics is the most tested of all scientific theories and there is absolutely no current evidence that it might not be correct.  Quantum Electro Dynamics (QED), which is the part of Quantum Physics which deals with light and electrons (so includes all of chemistry as well), has been tested to an accuracy equivalent to measuring the distance between New York and Los Angeles to the thickness of a human hair.

How can you possibly question it, especially when talking about hifi which is pretty much made up of quantum devices?

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Now you have annoyed me!  What do you mean "If only 10% of Quantum Physics is correct ..."?  Quantum Physics is the most tested of all scientific theories and there is absolutely no current evidence that it might not be correct.  Quantum Electro Dynamics (QED), which is the part of Quantum Physics which deals with light and electrons (so includes all of chemistry as well), has been tested to an accuracy equivalent to measuring the distance between New York and Los Angeles to the thickness of a human hair.

How can you possibly question it, especially when talking about hifi which is pretty much made up of quantum devices?

Chris

I think you have missed the point (or "pull yer neck in", as they say in my part of the world.  Wink )

If "even10%" is correct, then imagine the effect of 100% on the likelihood of P/Cs making an improvement.

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Mmmmmmm......... Quantum theory applied to hi-fi, interesting.

If we apply the Copenhagen Interpretation to hi-fi systems we can easily see that the performance of any given system is completely unknown until it interacts with an observer, or in this case a listener.

The system may be capable of any standard of reproduction whatsoever, and these can be plotted on the hi-fi equivilent of the quantum wave front which is then 'collapesed' by the observer/listener.

Will have to give this further thought...... :?

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davedotco wrote:

Mmmmmmm......... Quantum theory applied to hi-fi, interesting.

If we apply the Copenhagen Interpretation to hi-fi systems we can easily see that the performance of any given system is completely unknown until it interacts with an observer, or in this case a listener.

The system may be capable of any standard of reproduction whatsoever, and these can be plotted on the hi-fi equivilent of the quantum wave front which is then 'collapesed' by the observer/listener.

Will have to give this further thought...... :?

Go for it, I say.

I wonder if Dr. Brian Cox is free atm.....or just maybe he can be all over the multiverse at the same time.  Dirol

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CnoEvil wrote:

davedotco wrote:

Mmmmmmm......... Quantum theory applied to hi-fi, interesting.

If we apply the Copenhagen Interpretation to hi-fi systems we can easily see that the performance of any given system is completely unknown until it interacts with an observer, or in this case a listener.

The system may be capable of any standard of reproduction whatsoever, and these can be plotted on the hi-fi equivilent of the quantum wave front which is then 'collapesed' by the observer/listener.

Will have to give this further thought...... :?

Go for it, I say.

I wonder if Dr. Brian Cox is free atm.....or just maybe he can be all over the multiverse at the same time.  Dirol

Of course he can, just don't actually look for him.....!

A long time ago in a forum far, far away, I managed a rather nice (spoof, naturally) dissertation on how Quantum Theory  can be applied to football, the game makes a suitably contained macro universe determined by the individual quantum events that occur each time a player makes a decision or plays the ball. Worked rather nicely.

Included a rather nice sidebar on how referee's decisions are almost entirely determined by General Relativity, too.

 

But try as I might I am having great difficulty in applying Quantum Theory to hi-fi systems. A lot of time to be spent in cars today, I shall ponder it then.

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CnoEvil wrote:

TrevC wrote:

matt49 wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

Matt

Our scientific knowledge is complete in such matters. 

If even 10% of Quantum Physics is correct, then a mains cable making a difference is not beyond the bounds of feasibility.  :twisted:

Desperation is setting in. That reminds me, I must replace the mains lead on my kettle to improve the taste of my morning cuppa. Does Russ stock proper kettle leads?

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Desperation is setting in. That reminds me, I must replace the mains lead on my kettle to improve the taste of my morning cuppa. Does Russ stock proper kettle leads?

If you are desperate, a nice cup of tea is a good idea....I hear camomile works well.  Wink

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Oh dear, why is listening to music so complex , quantum theory etc. Yes time for a cuppa I think Smile 

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Oh dear, why is listening to music so complex , quantum theory etc. Yes time for a cuppa I think Smile 

Just having one now - with a hotcross bun. A friend opined that music lovers don't post to Hi Fi forums but equipment lovers do!

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A friend opined that music lovers don't post to Hi Fi forums but equipment lovers do!

Or frustrated Troglodytes with dodgy backs.  :wall:

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hi all,just putting my 50 pence worth,what i cant understand is,how is it when the likes of nordost ,shunyata ,russ andrews,chord,xlo,wireworld and many other that i could mention ,sell thousands of cables every year,why is that the guys who buy them me included me allways go back and buy another one does this mean are hearing gets worse for every cable we buy lol,this cable debate will never be won,but i dont think it's fair to knock the guys who are prepared to give the cables a go.were not asking the people who dont believe to go out and buy one,were just reporting what we hear.cheers david

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