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I have also read that these cables can suck the life out of amplifiers.

 

Those darn aliens are everywhere, breeding in aftermarket mains carp.

 

 

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Mains wires can have no effect on sound quality. It isn't possible.

Since you have already made up your mind, this is probably of little interest, but Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata Research has found a way of objectively measuring differences between cables and differences in connectors, with his DTCD (Dynamc Transient Current Delivery) analyzer. http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/shunyata_visit_interview.htm

They have also conducted comparative listening tests over several years under controlled conditions, using blind and double blind tests, that repeatedly confirm the connection between system performance and measurable DTCD. The results are to be published on their website.

 

 

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stephennic wrote:

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Hi Electro,

Long time no see, great quote. I think avreview website closed down.

Cheers

Steve.

Hi Stephennic ,

Yes it seems it has gone after long and painful death which is a shame :cry:  .I would like to know what happened because there was never any explanation :?

Yes, very disappointing - are you on head fi? How can you be contacted as there is no pm facility on what hifi.

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CnoEvil wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Mains wires can have no effect on sound quality. It isn't possible.

Since you have already made up your mind, this is probably of little interest, but Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata Research has found a way of objectively measuring differences between cables and differences in connectors, with his DTCD (Dynamc Transient Current Delivery) analyzer. http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/shunyata_visit_interview.htm

They have also conducted comparative listening tests over several years under controlled conditions, using blind and double blind tests, that repeatedly confirm the connection between system performance and measurable DTCD. The results are to be published on their website.

 

You've been telling us this for several years. Have they told anyone what has caused this inordinate and inexplicable delay?

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You've been telling us this for several years. Have they told anyone what has caused this inordinate and inexplicable delay?

Ah, there you are......I thought you'd given up, with far more important things to worry about.  Wink

For the record, it was once, one year ago, but I agree, it would still be nice to see the data: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/av-receivers/has-my-mains-cable-ruined-my-amp?page=1

 

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Yes very busy. Not given up but this is one of the biggest faith-based arguments going. I've responded to it on more than one occasion before. Only a year ago tho, you're right. Time flies when you're having cable related fun. 

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Covenanter wrote:

Occam's razor.

Chris

that doesn't answer my question. My question wasn't "why is simplicity important?", to which Occam's Razor is a good answer. It was: by virtue of what is your explanation simpler than the alternative explanation?

Matt

If you are testing for a difference and don't find one the simplest explanation is that there isn't a difference.  If you do find a difference then that needs to be explained.

Chris

That would apply if we had scientifically robust tests, but we don't. Some tests have been done; they were of poor design, and IMO have merely anecdotal status.

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CnoEvil wrote:

TrevC wrote:

Mains wires can have no effect on sound quality. It isn't possible.

Since you have already made up your mind, this is probably of little interest, but Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata Research has found a way of objectively measuring differences between cables and differences in connectors, with his DTCD (Dynamc Transient Current Delivery) analyzer. http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/shunyata_visit_interview.htm

They have also conducted comparative listening tests over several years under controlled conditions, using blind and double blind tests, that repeatedly confirm the connection between system performance and measurable DTCD. The results are to be published on their website.

 

I'd love to know the motivation behind this website. Oh wait, they manufacture the stuff.. What a coincidence!

Weird how they don't mention that a humble 3KW kettle lead will perform just as well as the best of  their measured examples.

 

Edit, I see it's from the US. No 3kW kettles, 1.6kW max.

 

Another of their "products" LOL.

 

http://www.shunyata.com/content/products-DarkField2.html

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matt49 wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

matt49 wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

Occam's razor.

Chris

that doesn't answer my question. My question wasn't "why is simplicity important?", to which Occam's Razor is a good answer. It was: by virtue of what is your explanation simpler than the alternative explanation?

Matt

If you are testing for a difference and don't find one the simplest explanation is that there isn't a difference.  If you do find a difference then that needs to be explained.

Chris

That would apply if we had scientifically robust tests, but we don't. Some tests have been done; they were of poor design, and IMO have merely anecdotal status.

Matt

 

Scientific tests of what exactly?

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I'm sure the Maplin lead is as effective as any other replacement mains lead.  Smile

Chris

I'll happily second that, but they do look pretty, so should help stop the other half from moaning so much about "wires". 

Always one born every minute, kings new clothes etc!

 

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Just to say that my Norton just popped up and said that the second link in the OP is a "Known fraudulent website".  I'm not saying it is just that Norton says it is.

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Covenanter wrote:

Just to say that my Norton just popped up and said that the second link in the OP is a "Known fraudulent website".  I'm not saying it is just that Norton says it is.

Chris

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Covenanter wrote:

Just to say that my Norton just popped up and said that the second link in the OP is a "Known fraudulent website".  I'm not saying it is just that Norton says it is.

Chris

Mine must be more gullible Smile does not report a thing.

Or it could be because I use a mains regenerator and it knows it is clean power. :grin:

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Scientific tests of what exactly?

Of what was being discussed earlier in this thread.

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Awwww the Big Cable con 

 

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