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Forgive me, jjbomber, but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about AVI. If they bother you that much, why give them the oxygen of publicity?

 

 

Of course I forgive you. No bee in my bonnet, so let me explain.

I know a scam when I see one and I don't like it at all. You may have come across the saying ''Stand for something or you'll fall for anything''. I am making a stand against the hi-jacking of the forum. 

 

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On the subject of which speaker is better, subjective assesment aside you can really only compare like for like in terms of size and placement options. The smaller speaker will beat the wardrobe-sized one no problem in a 7' x 5' spare room but the wardrobe would most likely work better in a hall. There can simply never be a "best speaker" as the room interaction is such a huge part of the sound that it will always depend on how they and where they are used. 

 

Are you saying a small standmount in a small room can sound just as good as a 5 ft speaker in a suitably large room? 

Yes, as David has also pointed out, there are strengths and weaknesses to all loudspeaker designs, there is no universally "better" solution with current technology.

If you are saying the best speaker would always be the bigger one in the right room then where do you draw the line? While that 5 foot speaker may be impressive in a larger living room it would sound pathetic at Wembley stadium. By that logic the best speaker would be a full-blown PA rig, it would lack some fidelity but be far better for purpose.

Smaller speakers can image and respond faster than many larger ones though electrostatics are relatively big and arguably do those things better, but they lack the punch of a dynamic driver and couldn't compete with a large horn-loaded design for efficiency & volume level, but horn speakers can lack subtlety and refinement etc etc etc... You can write pages and pages on all the pros and cons of the various speaker types and arrangements but that's why so many options still exist - there is no universally better speaker.

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And again, generally, yes.

Apologies..........by talking about a big speaker in too small a room, you threw me off track.

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AEJim wrote:

On the subject of which speaker is better, subjective assesment aside you can really only compare like for like in terms of size and placement options. The smaller speaker will beat the wardrobe-sized one no problem in a 7' x 5' spare room but the wardrobe would most likely work better in a hall. There can simply never be a "best speaker" as the room interaction is such a huge part of the sound that it will always depend on how they and where they are used. 

Surely that would depend upon which smaller speaker you're comparing against which wardrobe sized speaker? And on what was important to you in hi-fi reproduction? Which wardrobe sized speakers have you compared against which smaller speakers in 7' x 5' rooms?

If you had wardrobe sized speaker placed against the 5' wall it would be rather silly as the inside edges would be touching each other. That sized room with huge speakers is a little extreme.

For sure wardrobe speakers are not nearfield monitors. You'd get tonal abberations. But then you tend to get tonal abberations with small speakers anyway - usually mainly due to early bass roll-off / limitations in getting 2 drivers to cover the entire frequency spectrum.

 

The assumption that you get boomy bass with very large speakers in small rooms is inaccurate. It depends on the speakers, and the room furnishing.

 

I do totally agree that there is no such thing as a "best" sounding speaker. Electrostatics can do things in the midrange that conventional cones and domes don't. Large lightweight cones in large sealed enclosures do things in the bass that electrostatics and small speakers don't. High efficiency compression drivers do things with dynamics, especially at generous volumes that conventional cones and domes and electrostatics don't. This is all based on the particular speakers that I've heard so far.

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atticus wrote:

Forgive me, jjbomber, but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about AVI. If they bother you that much, why give them the oxygen of publicity?

 

 

Of course I forgive you. No bee in my bonnet, so let me explain.

I know a scam when I see one and I don't like it at all. You may have come across the saying ''Stand for something or you'll fall for anything''. I am making a stand against the hi-jacking of the forum. 

 

The way I see it is:

If I am able to compare my speakers against the ADM 40's and the ADM 40's sound better then I would say that there is something in the enthusiastic pro ADM postings on this forum.

If I were to strongly prefer the sound of my speakers to the ADM 40's then it would be interesting to see how the ADM 40 owner reported the bake-off between the 2 sets of speakers.

If I thought that both speakers were equally good, but different then I would say so and say in exactly which ways each speaker was better. Again it would be interesting to see what the ADM owner would have to say about this.

 

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

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At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

 

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

 

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lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

 

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

 

 

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lindsayt wrote:

AEJim wrote:

On the subject of which speaker is better, subjective assesment aside you can really only compare like for like in terms of size and placement options. The smaller speaker will beat the wardrobe-sized one no problem in a 7' x 5' spare room but the wardrobe would most likely work better in a hall. There can simply never be a "best speaker" as the room interaction is such a huge part of the sound that it will always depend on how they and where they are used. 

Surely that would depend upon which smaller speaker you're comparing against which wardrobe sized speaker? And on what was important to you in hi-fi reproduction? Which wardrobe sized speakers have you compared against which smaller speakers in 7' x 5' rooms?

If you had wardrobe sized speaker placed against the 5' wall it would be rather silly as the inside edges would be touching each other. That sized room with huge speakers is a little extreme.

For sure wardrobe speakers are not nearfield monitors. You'd get tonal abberations. But then you tend to get tonal abberations with small speakers anyway - usually mainly due to early bass roll-off / limitations in getting 2 drivers to cover the entire frequency spectrum.

 

The assumption that you get boomy bass with very large speakers in small rooms is inaccurate. It depends on the speakers, and the room furnishing.

 

I do totally agree that there is no such thing as a "best" sounding speaker. Electrostatics can do things in the midrange that conventional cones and domes don't. Large lightweight cones in large sealed enclosures do things in the bass that electrostatics and small speakers don't. High efficiency compression drivers do things with dynamics, especially at generous volumes that conventional cones and domes and electrostatics don't. This is all based on the particular speakers that I've heard so far.

 

You do know who AEJim is don't you?

 

I would take note of someone who makes loudspeakers.

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atticus wrote:

Forgive me, jjbomber, but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about AVI. If they bother you that much, why give them the oxygen of publicity?

 

 

Of course I forgive you. No bee in my bonnet, so let me explain.

I know a scam when I see one and I don't like it at all. You may have come across the saying ''Stand for something or you'll fall for anything''. I am making a stand against the hi-jacking of the forum. 

 

 

Haha, you obliviously don't know what a scam is.

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lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

 

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

 

So you're saying that anyone posting pro-AVI is Ashley James posting in disguise? Does this go for anyone who posts in favour of a product they own? If not, why single out AVI?

 

Seems to me you have very little to go on to draw the conclusions you have (such as that this thread was started by someone on behalf of Ashley James, rather than a first time poster posting a blank thread, like that never happens, and then getting scared off by the bizarre reaction). Looks to me like your paranoia. 

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Love to know why 'he' was banned.
Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

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lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

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http://www.stereophile.com/historical/1005bozak/index.html

 

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That little black speaker on top there would do much better on some proper stands. It would boom terribly sitting on top of that cabinet!

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That little black speaker on top there would do much better on some proper stands. It would boom terribly sitting on top of that cabinet!

 

HaHa, don't worry,  I doubt that you can hear anything from it    :grin:

As Stereophile pointed out,  big old Bozaks are not at their best unless the listener is more than 15 feet away     :?   JC

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