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The cabinet technology developed breaks with the traditional and cost-efficient loudspeaker enclosures of thick, heavy wood based enclosure walls. We believe a cabinet should be made of a thin, light, stiff material, shaped with spherical surfaces. Spherical surfaces are very important as it increases the stiffness hundreds of times compared to the flat and tenfold compared to extruded aluminium profiles.

The reason for our search for thin, light, stiff enclosures is based on the following: Hi frequency resonances, as those found in light and stiff materials, are much easier to muffle. We combine the outer 7 mm cast aluminum wall with a heavy dead muffler sandwich on the inside. Our muffling method is basically the same as the ones used in aircraft to enable the passengers leave the plane with their ears intact - which actually is quite remarkable considering that they have been sitting only a few meters away from one of the strongest sound producers made by man - a large jet engine.

To improve this method even further we pre-tension the complete enclosure with pushrods loaded with 2500N. The absorbers inside the enclosure are shaped as wedges, preventing reflections from the sound waves reaching the rear side of the elements.

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  Design: Three-way infinite baffle loading Frequency response:  28 - 35000 Hz ±2dB Sensitivity: 90 dB, re 2.83V @ 1m Nominal impedance: 6 Ohm    Dimensions   Width: 36 cm / 14.2 inches Depth: 52 cm /  20.48 inches Height: 108 cm /  42.52 inches Weight: 75 kg. /  165.35 lbs

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One of the best I have heard Smile

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

It's David Smile

I'm not sure how many forums you participate in, but the ones that I do have mentions shows like these many times, including the main one you frequent. So apologies if you really didn't know, but i find that hard to believe that you're not aware of them  Smile

I really didn't and it can be of no suprise as it would not be of the slightest interest to me. If it's your thing, then that's fine.

So do people actually move their own hifi kit to some type of convention?

Why? Is it a competition or something, maybe like auto ICE competitions to see has the loudest system?

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Overdose wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

It's David Smile

I'm not sure how many forums you participate in, but the ones that I do have mentions shows like these many times, including the main one you frequent. So apologies if you really didn't know, but i find that hard to believe that you're not aware of them  Smile

I really didn't and it can be of no suprise as it would not be of the slightest interest to me. If it's your thing, then that's fine.

So do people actually move their own hifi kit to some type of convention?

Why? Is it a competition or something, maybe like auto ICE competitions to see has the loudest system?

Overdose

People go to these shows/conventions because they are proud of what they have, built etc and want to show off. They enjoy swapping and changing/sharing the experience and it is part of this hobby, one thing certain folks over at AVI dont understand. Nothing worse than an ex-smoker. - Problem is of course, it doesn't end there and many AVI owners are by their own admittance prolific ex-box swappers and carry on doing so ... just within the AVI portfolio.

I dont knock them, I heard how good the ADM's are and can only assume their newer designs build on that but box swapping or whatever you want to call it will always be a large part of this hobby for many. Its AVI's unique selling point to call everybody else in the industry 'legacy'. It seems to work for them and long it may continue.

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Overdose wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

It's David Smile

I'm not sure how many forums you participate in, but the ones that I do have mentions shows like these many times, including the main one you frequent. So apologies if you really didn't know, but i find that hard to believe that you're not aware of them  Smile

I really didn't and it can be of no suprise as it would not be of the slightest interest to me. If it's your thing, then that's fine.

So do people actually move their own hifi kit to some type of convention?

Why? Is it a competition or something, maybe like auto ICE competitions to see has the loudest system?

Overdose

People go to these shows/conventions because they are proud of what they have, built etc and want to show off. They enjoy swapping and changing/sharing the experience and it is part of this hobby, one thing certain folks over at AVI dont understand. Nothing worse than an ex-smoker. - Problem is of course, it doesn't end there and many AVI owners are by their own admittance prolific ex-box swappers and carry on doing so ... just within the AVI portfolio.

I dont knock them, I heard how good the ADM's are and can only assume their newer designs build on that but box swapping or whatever you want to call it will always be a large part of this hobby for many. Its AVI's unique selling point to call everybody else in the industry 'legacy'. It seems to work for them and long it may continue.

regards

I can totally understand individuals being proud of their possessions and their achievements, absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I am having difficulty understanding why someone would bother moving an entire hifi system half way across the country just to show it off.

I have some very nice artwork hanging on my walls at home, but don't feel the need to periodically take them down and cart them off to some sort of picture meet, so that everyone else can see how much I've spent or see just how lovely they all look (subjectively).

I have a picture in my mind of people putting down little white box outlines on the floor at home so that the equipment goes back exactly where it came from. Envisage a crime scene with the white outline of a dead dude on the floor.

Surely, there must be some other point to it all, but it escapes me.

As far as box swapping goes, again, all understood if that's what interests you and it makes you happy, then why not?

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Overdose wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

It's David Smile

I'm not sure how many forums you participate in, but the ones that I do have mentions shows like these many times, including the main one you frequent. So apologies if you really didn't know, but i find that hard to believe that you're not aware of them  Smile

I really didn't and it can be of no suprise as it would not be of the slightest interest to me. If it's your thing, then that's fine.

So do people actually move their own hifi kit to some type of convention?

Why? Is it a competition or something, maybe like auto ICE competitions to see has the loudest system?

Its to share what you have with other people, its a great opportunity to hear stuff you would not usually hear at a dealer or commercial show as there is a big mix of classic, diy and modern kit. No agendas and no people trying to sell you marketing guff.

Its a good palce to meet, chat and share music with like minded people who are exhibitng kit that they have bought with their own money.

There was a pair of AVI ADM9.1 IIRC at the first or second show, for example, that is when I have heard them. It shows its a good chance to hear stuff you would not ususally go to hear, or available at dealers.

Overall its just good fun.

 

Its similar to the niche car shows, no one is going there to buy a car, people are exhibiting their pride and joys that they can, for one day a year or so share with people who whould not be able to see/hear/watch it drive. Goodwood festival of speed for example.

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Overdose wrote:

 

I can totally understand individuals being proud of their possessions and their achievements, absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I am having difficulty understanding why someone would bother moving an entire hifi system half way across the country just to show it off.

I have some very nice artwork hanging on my walls at home, but don't feel the need to periodically take them down and cart them off to some sort of picture meet, so that everyone else can see how much I've spent or see just how lovely they all look (subjectively).

I have a picture in my mind of people putting down little white box outlines on the floor at home so that the equipment goes back exactly where it came from. Envisage a crime scene with the white outline of a dead dude on the floor.

Surely, there must be some other point to it all, but it escapes me.

 

For the same reasons people like you and I are on hifi forums.

These shows take it one step further which to many is interesting enough to travel, display or just enjoy.

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... but I think we can all get on with each other. Just a little bit of understanding, humility, willingness to sometimes concede and learn.

Most importantly no sweeping statements ... either way.

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... but I think we can all get on with each other. Just a little bit of understanding, humility, willingness to sometimes concede and learn.

Most importantly no sweeping statements ... either way.

regards

Oh DM, you're such a sensible, yet sensitive lady!  Wink

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Neither is a strong point of mine ... nor is humility.

There's an opening for a pope so I thought I'd practise a little in advance ...

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At least JC and Oldric are having a debate, this comment and David's are simply designed to aggravate and provoke people. 

Merely pointing out the two/three times the cost thing is a comment intended to be negative towards hi-fi dealers, and is supposed to reinforce the value aspect of the product. As has already been pointed out, there's extra costs involved when not going through a dealer. If a direct seller decides to sell through a dealer, the costs are reduced.

 

So David, please give an example of this cost reduction, as seen by the purchaser.

For example, if  a dealer sells a pair of speakers for the recommended price of  £2000; what is the buy in price by the dealer?

I wonder if it might be @ half that £2000?  That sounds like a real good deal for the man-in-the-street, much better than buying direct and cutting out the dealer and distributer.

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If I made a product that could be sold in a shop for £2000 - but decided instead to sell direct and cut out shops completely - I would also sell it for £2000.

If I could get away with convincing my direct sales customers  that it would cost £3500 - if sold from a high street shop - all the better.

Everyone then thinks they are a winner (and everyone thinks I am a damned fine chap for cutting out those pesky, money grubbing dealers and saving them a bundle).

I make twice the money and the customer thinks I am a hero.

 

 

 

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If there was ever a point to this thread it has long been lost becaise a few wish to use it for their own biggotted crusade. Best without them. This is usually a friendly & helpful forum. Get real guys! :mad:

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RobinKidderminster wrote:
This is usually a friendly & helpful forum.

Hmm, nearly four years, who'd have thought it...

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If there was ever a point to this thread it has long been lost becaise a few wish to use it for their own biggotted crusade. Best without them. This is usually a friendly & helpful forum. Get real guys! :mad:
 

Quite

The pantheon of brands or designs deserving of the title 'best speaker' seems rather narrow and limited for some unkown reason....

 

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atticus wrote:

What are your speakers, lindsayt?

The speakers that I've got that JCBrum is the least likely to have heard are Bozak Symphonys and EV Patrician 800's.

Thank you, I've now looked them up. Very substantial! I think I'd need a bigger room for these!

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